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RE: 2025 draft thread - aguiar95 - 04-26-2025
Final Mavs 2025 Big Board
Tier I - Superstar (potential 1 or 2 on a championship team)
1- Flagg (Comp - Pippen)
Tier II - Star (potential 2 or 3 on the championship team)
2- Harper (Comp - Cunningham lite)
Tier III - Bonafied Starter (potential 3 or 4 on the championship team)
3- Bailey (Comp - Ingram)
4- Edgecombe (Comp - Oladipo)
5- Fears (Comp - Maxey)
6- Jakucionis (Comp - taller, slower Dragic)
7- Knueppel (Comp - Hayward)
8- Johnson (Comp - Taller Cam Thomas)
Tier IV - Perenial Starter (potential 4 or 5 on the championship team)
9- Bryant (Comp - Anunoby)
10- Murray-Boyles (Comp - D. Green)
11- Clifford (Comp - better shooter Josh Hart)
12- Philon (Comp - Beverley)
13- Demin (Comp - Giddey)
14- Essengue (Comp - Coulibaly)
15- Beringuer (Comp - Lively lite)
Strategy:
If #1:
Draft Flagg (duh)
If #2:
Draft Harper (duh)
If #3 or #4:
Try and move down a couple spots where Jakucionis or Fears are still available and land another pick AND dump money (i.e: Hardy/Powell + #4 for #8 + #14). If nothing appears, draft Bayley as he fits better with our young core.
If #11:
Scenario 1: One of the tier III players still available (almost impossible), draft him.
OBS: We shouldn't trade future picks to move up for any of the tier III players.
Scenario 2: None of tier III available, try and move down, get another pick OR dump money (i.e: Hardy/Powell + #11 for #13-15, #11 for #19, #26 and #27) and try to draft guys from tier IV and V.
Ending up with one of the 9-15 guys and getting another assett would be huge.
If get a 2nd rounder, I'd go with any of Gonzalez, Markovic, D. Williams, Zikarsky, Kalkbrenner, Evans or Proctor.
RE: 2025 draft thread - F Gump - 04-26-2025
Mavs Draft Board
Cooper Flagg
I don't want anyone else.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Scott41theMavs - 04-26-2025
(04-26-2025, 01:50 PM)F Gump Wrote: Mavs Draft Board
Cooper Flagg
I don't want anyone else.
Does that mean you're giving them a blank check to trade the pick for beans if we don't get the first pick?
RE: 2025 draft thread - F Gump - 04-26-2025
They are allowed to draft Cooper Flagg. I'm not giving Nico permission to do anything else.
RE: 2025 draft thread - SleepingHero - 04-27-2025
(04-26-2025, 01:50 PM)F Gump Wrote: Mavs Draft Board
Cooper Flagg
I don't want anyone else.
Kon Kneuppel also has struck my fancy. His name is one of the oddest ones I’ve seen but I think he can play good ball.
RE: 2025 draft thread - michaeltex - 04-28-2025
If the NBA wants to get DAL fans interested again, they need to be looking at scenarios to make sure DAL has a top 4 pick. Otherwise the narrative will be that LAL get all the breaks and everybody else, outside of NYKs and BOS, are just supporting their continued success.
I know you don't want to draft for position or need, but the PG need is a big one and coming out of the draft with another SF/PF doesn't help.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 04-28-2025
I haven't seen him play, but I really, really like the highlights of Harper. I think he looks like a bigger Brunson. Time will tell if he has anything close to the intangibles that Jalen has. I wouldn't put it against him that they missed the tournament. Sure it sucks and disappointing. We have seen some of these non blue bloods who put all their energy on these top prospects only to see it not work when they get them. I think he is a clear #2 pick in this draft and would be awesome for the Mavs. I am less sure on the other Rutgers guy. He really feels like a boom or bust guy. A team will bet on his upside and pick him very high, but there are some glaring warning signs imo.
RE: 2025 draft thread - hakeemfaan - 04-29-2025
I am keeping my hopes tempered. I am not even thinking of moving up. I will be thrilled if Nico doesn’t trade the pick for some 30+ player. It’s so bad that Perk and Lakers fans are wondering why they didn’t get Gafford in the Luka deal. It was not enough that Pelinka committed a daylight robbery.
I am really warming up to Egor. I know offensively there are concerns but having a big who can make everyone else on the court a better offensive player is such a huge thing. I hope Nico’s blind penchant of defense overriding everything doesn’t blind him. It has been painful watching the Rockets struggling for any good shots. Even Sengun who got his points. Defense by itself is not winning you anything.
RE: 2025 draft thread - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-29-2025
(04-27-2025, 07:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Kon Kneuppel also has struck my fancy. His name is one of the oddest ones I’ve seen but I think he can play good ball.
Looks like Duke's chance at a natty is gone, up in smoke. Four key players from last year's team are now gone to the NBA. Flagg, Proctor, Maluach, and Knueppel. They'd better recruit and hit the portal to rebuild.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-01-2025
The athletic had a mock draft. Tre Johnson went three. The Illing went 9th. Fears got to 11. Although Carter Bryant went 10th. Bryant is going to be fascinating. Limited production and should go back to school but there is something there. Teams will be tempted with him.
RE: 2025 draft thread - SleepingHero - 05-02-2025
@BrettSiegelNBA
Don’t be shocked if multiple teams look to trade up for Maluach.
The Duke product is the exact type of athletic big man teams are looking for, especially a team like the Lakers.
RE: 2025 draft thread - myconsumerclub - 05-03-2025
Big men I thought would be there in the 2nd are staying in school. The Ivisic twins, Zvonimir and Tomislav, are both professional basketball players who have played professionally in Europe before playing college basketball in the United States. Zvonimir played at Kentucky and Arkansas before transferring to Illinois, where he will now join his twin brother Tomislav. Tomislav currently plays for Illinois. They are both 7-foot-tall players and are known for their length and defensive abilities, particularly their blocking. Tomislav Ivišić follows twin brother's footsteps to America
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-05-2025
(05-02-2025, 08:52 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @BrettSiegelNBA
Don’t be shocked if multiple teams look to trade up for Maluach.
The Duke product is the exact type of athletic big man teams are looking for, especially a team like the Lakers.
There are three bigs in the late lottery range. All flawed and all different. Maluach, Queen and Sorber. I am sure teams will have different rantings on all three depending on their needs. I like all three form my intial looks. I don't think the Mavs would have much interest in any though.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-05-2025
Watching the playoffs and how physical and big the players are, I wonder if the Mavs would have interest in either Fears or Richardson. Especially when you consider they are going to count on Kyrie moving forward. I wonder if we should be looking at the guys above 6'5.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Knutsen - 05-05-2025
(05-05-2025, 01:39 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Watching the playoffs and how physical and big the players are, I wonder if the Mavs would have interest in either Fears or Richardson. Especially when you consider they are going to count on Kyrie moving forward. I wonder if we should be looking at the guys above 6'5.
Sure, because that’s kind of the blueprint of what Nico is trying to do - being bigger and stronger than the opposition in all positions, with Kyrie being the notable exception. So I‘m quite sure they’ll follow this strategy in the draft.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Nowitzki Way - 05-05-2025
(05-05-2025, 01:39 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Watching the playoffs and how physical and big the players are, I wonder if the Mavs would have interest in either Fears or Richardson. Especially when you consider they are going to count on Kyrie moving forward. I wonder if we should be looking at the guys above 6'5.
I think you're reading that correctly. We already have one small guard (we hope) in Kyrie. I don't see adding another.
I think if we go guard, we look at the two larger ball handling types in Demin and Jakucionis. But then again this seems to be going away from the Nico style of American born prep stars.
If we dont move up in the lottery i see the pick getting moved. Either we try to trade up for one of the top 5 (Flagg, Harper, Bailey, V.J. , Johnson) or they trade the pick in a package for a vet.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-05-2025
(05-05-2025, 03:09 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I think you're reading that correctly. We already have one small guard (we hope) in Kyrie. I don't see adding another.
I think if we go guard, we look at the two larger ball handling types in Demin and Jakucionis. But then again this seems to be going away from the Nico style of American born prep stars.
If we dont move up in the lottery i see the pick getting moved. Either we try to trade up for one of the top 5 (Flagg, Harper, Bailey, V.J. , Johnson) or they trade the pick in a package for a vet.
Who knows what they think of Brandon Williams, but he is another small guard.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-05-2025
Here is the portion of the latest mock draft from the Athletic about this draft class:
What does that mean for the draft? First and foremost, this number is expected to be whittled down substantially by May 28, the deadline for players with remaining collegiate eligibility to withdraw from the draft. Many of the players on the early entry list are seen as strong bets to return to school because they are slated to make seven figures in NIL dollars. If the choice is that you have guaranteed money on the table from a college or you’re on the borderline of getting a guaranteed deal from the NBA versus a two-way contract (which would only pay approximately $600,000 next season), most players and their representatives are going to take the guaranteed money. But an intriguing game of chicken has also now developed in which agents and players are trying to figure out if so many guys are going to pull out of the draft that it is worthwhile to enter this year, because this would be their best chance to be selected.
That’s where the process stands at this point, and unsurprisingly, it has decimated the depth of this class in a big way. NBA teams with selections in the 40s are quite worried as to whether those picks will have much value. Even teams in the late 20s and 30s have serious questions as to whether those picks will deliver commensurate value with what a normal selection in that range will bring.
This draft was not seen as all that loaded to begin with. Teams have real questions about whether this draft will bring average value starting from about No. 3 on. There are areas of the draft where the talent levels off for most scouts and executives (some believe the middle of the lottery is a good sweet spot, others see the late teens as a solid area to derive value). The top two are the only slots of this draft where teams have a particular amount of excitement.
Indeed, that’s why the draft lottery will be so important. Teams like the Utah Jazz could go from building their organization over the next decade around Cooper Flagg, a player seen as a genuine franchise-changer, to someone like Tre Johnson at No. 5, a good player with significant upside but with many more questions, if they fall out of the top two. There might not be a day that shapes the future of the NBA for the rest of 2025 more than May 12, when the lottery gods smile upon one team that can select Flagg.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-06-2025
(05-05-2025, 02:42 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Sure, because that’s kind of the blueprint of what Nico is trying to do - being bigger and stronger than the opposition in all positions, with Kyrie being the notable exception. So I‘m quite sure they’ll follow this strategy in the draft.
This is such a weird draft. If the Mavs don't have interest in centers, you have to hope that at least two of the three go before their pick. Although, I feel like there are not any Carson Wallace level guards who may fall to their pick. I need to do a deeper dive on the french point guard. It is just so tough to know what you are watching in their highlights.
The two physical wings who will be in that range are Murray Boyles and Carter Bryant. Boyles can't shoot. Bryant is really raw and was the 7/8th man for a good, not great college team. He does have really exciting upside. I don't think he will help much next year though. Noa Essengue is another player I need to watch more of, but he is another one that it is tough to know what you are watching.
I don't think I could draft Boyles with the construction of this team.
RE: 2025 draft thread - Chicagojk - 05-06-2025
Mavs need to go way back in the rolodex to get someone who will not be ashamed of answering Luka questions. Ha ha
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