(11-27-2022, 12:39 AM)Kammrath Wrote: ONLY this level of disastrous because your coach refuses to sign Dragic for the minimum, who WANTS to be here and gives you 90% of what JB gives you.

(11-27-2022, 12:23 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: Amusing if not hilarious.  I'm sure those young men thought Mark would find it funny, they even had their GSW joke prepared.   I'm reminded of a story an IT executive years ago about what happened when anyone came to certain Microsoft high level marketing and executive meetings to try offer their wares or to work with Microsoft in any respect. 

If they came in with an iPad or even an iPhone, the chances of them getting the deal was zero to none.   
He said MS would generally not even explain why the suitors were quickly dismissed. 
Of course the corporate relationships have broadened since those days and MS works hand in hand with Apple on several fronts but Mark Cuban's remark about "reading the room" is relevant advice usually kept in the back rooms.

(11-27-2022, 12:23 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: Amusing if not hilarious.  I'm sure those young men thought Mark would find it funny, they even had their GSW joke prepared.   I'm reminded of a story an IT executive years ago about what happened when anyone came to certain Microsoft high level marketing and executive meetings to try offer their wares or to work with Microsoft in any respect. 

If they came in with an iPad or even an iPhone, the chances of them getting the deal was zero to none.   
He said MS would generally not even explain why the suitors were quickly dismissed. 
Of course the corporate relationships have broadened since those days and MS works hand in hand with Apple on several fronts but Mark Cuban's remark about "reading the room" is relevant advice usually kept in the back rooms.

(11-27-2022, 05:53 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I agree that Mark gave them sound advice. If you're trying to woo an investor, poking fun at them generally isn't a good way to do that.

But it's telling how sensitive Mark is regarding the Mavs. He's emotionally invested, and probably got personally offended someone "attacked" the results of his team, because it's also a reflection of Mark's choices and own failures. 

I can't imagine another owner getting that animated over a silly joke. STILL, Mark is correct in that you got to read the room.

(11-27-2022, 01:48 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Maybe they did read the room. As basketball fans, they probably know the shitshow that Cuban is overseeing. Therefore they decide to entertain the others at the expense of Cuban. It worked. Everybody else was having a blast.

(11-27-2022, 12:23 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: Amusing if not hilarious.  I'm sure those young men thought Mark would find it funny, they even had their GSW joke prepared.   I'm reminded of a story an IT executive years ago about what happened when anyone came to certain Microsoft high level marketing and executive meetings to try offer their wares or to work with Microsoft in any respect. 

If they came in with an iPad or even an iPhone, the chances of them getting the deal was zero to none.   
He said MS would generally not even explain why the suitors were quickly dismissed. 
Of course the corporate relationships have broadened since those days and MS works hand in hand with Apple on several fronts but Mark Cuban's remark about "reading the room" is relevant advice usually kept in the back rooms.

(11-27-2022, 09:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: This.

While Cuban comes off as looking juvenile in the video, in this case on a bigger level he was right as he could be.

These guys came in with a PLAN to take a shot at Cuban and his baby, and that's not how you win friends (or get someone to want to give you money and help you make money). You want to play to the decision maker's ego, and get him to like you. Calling all the non-GS teams losers - and then making it personal (!) and intentional (!) by acknowledging IN THEIR PITCH how it was a slight at Cuban - is about as opposite an approach as you can take if you want Cuban's money.

Stroke his ego. How easy would it have been to use a Mavs logo, and suck up, and talk about how they would win the next one with fresher scents. But no.

In regards to Cuban, this was total disrespect, as if he's their buddy that they can throw under the bus and laugh at and poke fun of. But Cuban is someone they didn't know at all and whom they SHOULD have shown respect to in that show context. Instead of respect, they deliberately chose the douchebag route.

They also had a chance to read the room and didn't -- ie, when their attempt at humor came off to Cuban as a slap in the face, and everyone could see it on his sour face, THEY should have retreated quickly with humility. Either they didn't have a plan, didn't notice, or didn't care, all of which were bad bad bad.

The worst part of all for them was that Cuban is usually the worst negotiator in the room, and will let his emotions and best intentions out-weigh his business sense. Taking that shot at him, even if they felt it was cute, was an incredibly stupid move from a business perspective (and in Cuban's defense, when these pitch guys show you they are dolts in how they deal with people, isn't it smart to just  walk away?)

(11-27-2022, 11:07 PM)F Gump Wrote: You can say Cuban should be able to take a joke and not be sensitive - and you are right - but that doesn't absolve these clowns of being douchey and rude.

IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY, you generally can't deride others in front of their peers and laugh at/about them. 40-50 years ago you could laugh at people and everyone would laugh too, but now society is so sensitive and people are so caught up in their own feelings and image, and now you just can't. So having the expectation that they will like it (or you) when you do it, that's just wrong. It's not like Cuban was their good buddy who they always teased with - he was a total stranger to them, who had never met them and owed them no latitude.

That they also did that in the context of asking the guy they are insulting to write them a big check is the height of stupidity.