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FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | 3yrs/21mil - SleepingHero - 07-03-2024
Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania)
Just In: The Golden State Warriors are in serious talks on a sign-and-trade deal to acquire Buddy Hield, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Warriors and 76ers have been in deep discussions, working to finalize the deal for one of the NBA's best three-point shooters.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - KillerLeft - 07-03-2024
The Warriors are kinda/sorta having a very good off-season, so far. This will be the first move they make that I don't like, when it's official.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - Chicagojk - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 01:22 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: The Warriors are kinda/sorta having a very good off-season, so far. This will be the first move they make that I don't like, when it's official.
I agree. Hield, Anderson and Melton are good signings. I just don't think they are a contender any longer. Tough space to be. They are trying to put a final run around Steph. They have some good young players but not guys to lead franchises. Weird spot for them, but I like all three guys for them.
I even liked the assistant coaches they hired.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - SleepingHero - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 01:22 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: The Warriors are kinda/sorta having a very good off-season, so far. This will be the first move they make that I don't like, when it's official.
If you're trying to replace Klay as a shooter, Buddy is the closest person on the market.
He's not nearly the same level of defender, passer, or much of anything else. But he can definitely shoot. I think we will be surprised at how lethal he will be in their motion offense.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - dirkfansince1998 - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 09:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: If you're trying to replace Klay as a shooter, Buddy is the closest person on the market.
He's not nearly the same level of defender, passer, or much of anything else. But he can definitely shoot. I think we will be surprised at how lethal he will be in their motion offense.
Actually think that he is a better ballhandler and passer. Especially compared to the current version of Klay. But as bad as Klay was on defense last season he still had the size to do defend most forwards in the NBA. Buddy Hield is 6'4 and cannot defend smaller guards. Makes him borderline unplayable on defense.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - KillerLeft - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 09:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: If you're trying to replace Klay as a shooter, Buddy is the closest person on the market.
He's not nearly the same level of defender, passer, or much of anything else. But he can definitely shoot. I think we will be surprised at how lethal he will be in their motion offense.
I wonder if he’s even going to understand how to move off-ball in that offense the way Thompson does. Said another way: I don’t think he’s going to understand how to do that at all. The GS offense isn’t simple.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - Dahlsim - 07-03-2024
Interesting take take on how GSW can view/spin Klay vs Buddy. Buddy younger (31) still a volume 3 point option and perhaps in their mind the defensive difference isn't significant with this version of Klay?
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2024/07/03/what-the-warriors-would-add-by-acquiring-buddy-hield/
Quote:Thompson (14.5) was only behind Warriors superstar Steph Curry (17.4) last season, so he doesn’t quite match that volume, but maybe Hield, 31, can be a Splash Cousin of Curry’s if he joins him in the Golden State backcourt.
That volume is justified: Hield has shot better than 36 percent on 3-pointers in all eight of his NBA seasons, including topping 42 percent three times.
The big factor it appears in how GSW viewed Klay is in how they see his defense versus a less expensive option like Hield. 3-no-longer-D?
Quote:One thing Hield does not provide is much resistance on the defensive perimeter. The good news is that his contribution on that end is not terribly different from Thompson’s at age 34 after two major leg injuries. The five-time All-Star’s defense was a liability for the Warriors, as his defensive rating of 116.1 last season was slightly worse than Hield’s 115.7.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - KillerLeft - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 06:23 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: Interesting take take on how GSW can view/spin Klay vs Buddy. Buddy younger (31) still a volume 3 point option and perhaps in their mind the defensive difference isn't significant with this version of Klay?
I mean, facts are facts, and that defensive rating is worth noting, for sure.
But, my instincts say that it will be far easier for Thompson to adjust to life in the simpler Dallas system (even if they beef it up, which I hope they do) than it will be for Hield to catch up to the career's worth skillset Thompson developed in order to thrive in that GS system. He's an off-ball shooter, yes, but Draymond Green is always talking about how difficult it is for players to grasp their offense, saying it sometimes takes 2-3 years before they get it, and that some never do.
I think the Warriors are kind of done, unless (and maybe even if) they trade all their picks for Markkannen, which they'd have to be certifiably insane to do.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - SleepingHero - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 06:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I mean, facts are facts, and that defensive rating is worth noting, for sure.
But, my instincts say that it will be far easier for Thompson to adjust to life in the simpler Dallas system (even if they beef it up, which I hope they do) than it will be for Hield to catch up to the career's worth skillset Thompson developed in order to thrive in that GS system. He's an off-ball shooter, yes, but Draymond Green is always talking about how difficult it is for players to grasp their offense, saying it sometimes takes 2-3 years before they get it, and that some never do.
I think the Warriors are kind of done, unless (and maybe even if) they trade all their picks for Markkannen, which they'd have to be certifiably insane to do.
Defensive metrics has never been kind to Klay. Even in his prime. This video explains what he did well and even then he was rated as average in all the defensive impact metrics, which we knew at the time were false given what we saw on the court and the results.
Lastly, the Warriors traded their 2030 FRP to the Wizards for CP3. And that pick is top 20 protected. That means of their picks 2029 and 2031 are off limits and the most they could give to UTA in any Lauri deal is 2025+2027 OR 2026+2028. So 2 picks. The same amount the Mavs could offer funnily enough.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - Smitty - 07-03-2024
I think the biggest difference between GS and Dallas, regarding Klay’s defense or lack thereof, is GS doesn’t have a rim protecter to funnel to, or make up for poor perimeter defense.
DJJ looked like one of the best defenders in the world when they added PJ. They changed their defensive approach at the same time. We had a big discussion about this post-TDL and many thought it was idiotic to change things midseason… But it worked. We saw the Mavs lean on it even more in the Clippers series after getting destroyed at the 3pt line.
Klay isn’t what he once was but this idea that he’s a traffic cone is getting a little out of hand. He’ll be effective defensively in the starting lineup, having PJ and Lively to make up the difference. But it’s not like the top 3 are going to play all their 30+ minutes together. The Mavs have the personnel to stagger minutes and be a top 10 defensive TEAM imo.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - KillerLeft - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 07:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Lastly, the Warriors traded their 2030 FRP to the Wizards for CP3. And that pick is top 20 protected. That means of their picks 2029 and 2031 are off limits and the most they could give to UTA in any Lauri deal is 2025+2027 OR 2026+2028. So 2 picks. The same amount the Mavs could offer funnily enough.
I heard they had four swaps to offer, also. Is that not correct?
However many picks and swaps they can offer, they have to be among the most coveted draft capital gets in the league. It doesn’t take an NBA historian to tell where the GS franchise is heading.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - SleepingHero - 07-03-2024
(07-03-2024, 07:51 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I heard they had four swaps to offer, also. Is that not correct?
However many picks and swaps they can offer, they have to be among the most coveted draft capital gets in the league. It doesn’t take an NBA historian to tell where the GS franchise is heading.
If they sent 2025+2027, then for swaps it'd be 2026, 2028, 2029, and 2031.
If they sent 2026+2028, then for swaps it'd be 2025, 2027, 2029, and 2031.
So yes in both cases they can offer 4 swaps.
I agree that their swaps, especially later in the decade, should be considered some of the most valuable picks. Question is, does GSW recognize how monumentally stupid it'd be to do that? One only has to look at the Clippers to see how a trade which looked semi-reasonable at the time can turn into an all-time blunder 5 years later.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - mvossman - 07-04-2024
(07-03-2024, 06:23 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: Interesting take take on how GSW can view/spin Klay vs Buddy. Buddy younger (31) still a volume 3 point option and perhaps in their mind the defensive difference isn't significant with this version of Klay?
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2024/07/03/what-the-warriors-would-add-by-acquiring-buddy-hield/
The big factor it appears in how GSW viewed Klay is in how they see his defense versus a less expensive option like Hield. 3-no-longer-D?
Can’t really compare defensive rating from two different teams. I think Klay will be a significant drop off from DJJ in the starting lineup, but he is not the sieve that Hield is.
On the other hand, Hield won’t have a problem coming off the bench and they brought in some good defensive players. I think GS might be better after this offseason.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - SleepingHero - 07-04-2024
@YossiGozlan
It sounds like the Klay Thompson sign and trade featuring Dallas and Charlotte will now expand to include Philadelphia and Minnesota.
The Warriors can acquire both Buddy Hield and Kyle Anderson at $9 million starting salaries for Thompson's outgoing amount.
They're now right at the $178.1 million first apron with 14 players.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - SleepingHero - 07-04-2024
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: Free agent Buddy Hield is joining Golden State on a sign-and-trade deal guaranteed for two years and $21 million. Hield gets $18M in first two years, a $3M partial guarantee in 3rd year and player option on non-guaranteed 4th year. Warriors send Sixers 2031 second via Dallas.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - KillerLeft - 07-04-2024
(07-04-2024, 01:59 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @YossiGozlan
It sounds like the Klay Thompson sign and trade featuring Dallas and Charlotte will now expand to include Philadelphia and Minnesota.
The Warriors can acquire both Buddy Hield and Kyle Anderson at $9 million starting salaries for Thompson's outgoing amount.
They're now right at the $178.1 million first apron with 14 players.
Is the "touch rule" in play here at all, or is this a different sort of situation?
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | 3yrs/21mil - Chicagojk - 07-04-2024
Interesting group of players. I like some of these moves. Some risk though. I like Kyle Anderson. You would think he would fit in really nice with Golden State's motion offense. Nice defender too. Adding another non shooter though. A lot of people like Melton. He had several injuries last year. Good/very good defender. Will be interesting to see if he carves out a role with a deep team. Hield is one of the elite shooters in the league. I was surprised he didn't really make a huge impact with Philly. Had a few moments at the end of the series. At this stage, he is basically a hired gun as a shooter. Sort of weird that he is less than 3 years younger than Thompson. It feels like it should be much larger gap.
Nice signings though. Just sort of sucks that they don't appear to have a road to a contender again. That may have been the answer regardless of what they did this summer though.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - F Gump - 07-04-2024
(07-04-2024, 02:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Is the "touch rule" in play here at all, or is this a different sort of situation?
5 team trade already. YES. I expect to see random seemingly pointless pieces added to the final deal.
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - KillerLeft - 07-04-2024
(07-04-2024, 03:29 PM)F Gump Wrote: 5 team trade already. YES. I expect to see random seemingly pointless pieces added to the final deal.
Cool. Instead of (or in addition to) pointless additions, could this possibly have some overlap with the Stein news about them looking for another guard?
RE: FA: Buddy Hield to GSW | - F Gump - 07-04-2024
(07-04-2024, 03:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Cool. Instead of (or in addition to) pointless additions, could this possibly have some overlap with the Stein news about them looking for another guard?
ONLY if it helps in the touch rule, which means that guard is coming to Mavs from GS, CHA, PHI, or MIN, and/or the player the Mavs are sending away goes to one of those teams. But adding a 6th team would add another layer of needless complexity to everyone else, and since the Mavs can easily take back the player contract they want in this possible exercise (multiple exceptions, for both signing or trading), I wouldn't expect to see team 6 added.
Added - I went back and logged the team ties, and unless I missed something, the team touches so far are as follows --
DAL -- GS CHA PHI
CHA -- DAL MIN
GS -- DAL MIN PHI
MIN -- GS CHA
PHI -- GS DAL