04-18-2021, 11:09 PM
(04-18-2021, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]You should be able to get at least two starters and a project or pick for him.
If that's true, the problems aren't so bad. I'm not sure it's true.
(04-18-2021, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]You should be able to get at least two starters and a project or pick for him.
(04-18-2021, 10:56 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this is who he was in New York and I don't think injuries have diminished him as severely as what his output is with the Mavs.
(04-18-2021, 10:56 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I do firmly believe that one or both of KP/Carlisle need to go.
(04-18-2021, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]With no draft pick this year, limited draft capital to trade, limited trade assets all around, and a poor FA class coming up, the only way to kick start a rebuild is to trade KP. You should be able to get at least two starters and a project or pick for him.
The Mavs just don't have the assets, cap room, and opportunity to build a team with a decent starting lineup and a little depth around Luka and KP. At least not for next year. I have now officially joined the sky-is-falling crowd who believe that 1) there's no freaking way the Mavs avoid the playin, and 2) there's no freaking way they survive the playin. It's going to be major egg on the franchise's face when we have the seventh seed and can't make the playoffs, and it's going to look even worse when the league uses our lottery pick to gift wrap a top pick to the Knicks. KP gotta go. Perhaps Donnie and/or Rick as well.
(04-18-2021, 11:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Disagree. Just going by the numbers KP is actually having the best scoring efficiency of his career. First time in his career that his TS% is above league average. Best PER and BPM of his career. Big question. Why is his boxscore production not impacting the +/- numbers or win/loss column.
Big difference between the NY version and the current on is defense and that´s probably mostly about the injuries. Right now he really has no position on defense. Not strong enough to be an old school rim and post defender with great rebounding. Not quick enough to defend PFs or the perimeter. Pick and roll liability. Put a smaller and quicker guy next to him and opponents dominate the Mavs in the paint and on the boards. Put a more traditional big next to him and the perimeter and pick and roll defense collapses.
(04-18-2021, 11:18 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have a lot of faith in the MBT executing either. I've been doing a lot of thinking about last years team and this years team and which one I think is better. Maybe it was just an outlier shooting season, but I'd take the previous years team. Maybe it's a push but it's hard to argue against the MBT being stuck in the mud with this team.
I've been thinking about Jalen a lot lately. He's made the biggest jump this season and is probably the lone bright spot beyond Lukamania. Are we confident we can resign him after next year? Would you consider trading him? New York seems to have interest. Though the Mavs and draft picks is nightmare fuel.
(04-18-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-18-2021, 11:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Big difference between the NY version and the current on is defense
(04-18-2021, 11:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Disagree. Just going by the numbers KP is actually having the best scoring efficiency of his career. First time in his career that his TS% is above league average. Best PER and BPM of his career. Big question. Why is his boxscore production not impacting the +/- numbers or win/loss column.
(04-18-2021, 11:18 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]You're the only person I've seen in the past couple of months who has acknowledged the erroneousness of one of KL's major theses. KP wasn't always this bad on defense - he used to be a nail-to-hang-the-picture guy on defense. I'm not sure if it's a matter of other teams solving him, him playing scared, injuries affecting him physically, or the coaching staff using him wrong on that end. I'm thinking it's a combo of all four. In any event, he is simply done on that side of the floor. That makes me rather worried that KL is right with something he said much more recently (above, in fact) - we may not be able to get much at all back in trade for him. We can't just ride out his contract, though. That's a waste of the next three years of Luka.
I would trade him for this year's pick back, or as part of a deal for Brogdon (which I've said over and over again also involves KP). Those are about the only scenarios I can countenance that it would be good to trade him.
I wouldn't mind seeing a whole new roster next year, top to bottom, with #77 being the only returning player.
(04-18-2021, 11:22 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think it is "Idon'tgiveashitaboutthatendbecauseIknowIamnotinDallasnextyearitis."
(04-18-2021, 10:56 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The roster construction just feels broken and you are spot on with one dimensional players in the starting lineup. I also really hate what our offense has become. Drive to the basket (where we don't get calls) or kick for a brick (3PT). I still have a hard time putting a ton of blame on KP. I don't think this is who he was in New York and I don't think injuries have diminished him as severely as what his output is with the Mavs. I do firmly believe that one or both of KP/Carlisle need to go. This experiment isn't working and there should be ramifications. As far as looking lost tonight, I agree but I just think it's hard to gain confidence with how he's being deployed.
The good news is that a heft portion of the KP tax will be paid this summer when that FRP convey and Timmy expires. The bad news is we have a ton of spots to fill on this roster and only 2-3 players, depending at how you see Jalen, as starting caliber players.
(04-18-2021, 11:38 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I've been waffling back and forth with the idea that RC is just not the right coach for this team. He's been underperforming as a coach all season. The offense has sputtered. The defense has been so inconsistent.
There are already cracks showing with Luka getting extremely frustrated at end of game choices. It's happened 3 times this year already where RC makes the wrong call and the Mavs lose at the buzzer, and Lula is standing at mid court swearing like a sailor.
KP has voiced his frustrations with the coaching staff too this season. Saying he wants more minutes in the first to get a rhythm, more touches to feel involved, more movement on offense so he doesn't get shut out.
It hasn't helped that once RC actually implemented the exact changes KP asked, he's looked 100x better.
RC is a very good coach. His X's and O's are top tier. But it's evident to me that he's become a bit stale. The offense looks terrible. I hope he's saving some magical shit for the playoffs but I fear the Mavs may not even make it there at this rate.
(04-19-2021, 12:05 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]The real reason is simple. The Mavs just don’t have the right people starting the game. You need at least three good offensive players; the Mavs start with two. It’s time to make a change and move Brunson up and the flop to the bench. That’s the only card left to play in this disappointing season. JRich is gone anyway, so I really wouldn’t worry about his ego. My only hope left for the season is that the Mavs don’t end up ceding a lottery pick to the Knicks.
(04-18-2021, 10:10 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]Bama. I usually agree totally with you. A lot of heroball by Luka and fans using KP as the whipping boy.
However if you saw that game today, KP looked lost. He was not playing assertively at all. The lead was not dwindling and everyone including KP were just mindlessly passing the ball without any attempt to break down Sac. Luka then finally decided to do the heroball stuff.
(04-19-2021, 09:52 AM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]Fair enough, but I'm going to call this ACCUMULATIVE drift. Look, I'm no pro by any stretch, but I have played in games where I knew I was going to be open and another guy just shot it a million times and I just lost interest. I'd run off picks and have the cold shot and he looks me off and dribble dribble jack up a fadeaway and at some point, I'm not running hard off that screen or wasting my life pinning a guy under the goal when the balls not coming anyway.
That's what I see. Several times, I saw KP in the mid post setting up and then the step back 3 goes, and he just starts trotting down the court with the ball in the air and a "hope it goes in" look on his face. I don't really fault him for that after this becoming the norm.
Honestly, the best post entry passer on the team is KP because he gets it quick and to Luka's hand every time. It boggles my mind that Luka and the other guards on the team can't figure that out. If we met at a diner and JRich and Luka had a few and started bragging about how they were going to get this cat out of here by doing that stuff, I honestly wouldn't be surprised (AND I know that's not happening...seriously). But still, the way they do it...I'm just like, come on, man.
It looks like a snotty war sometimes. They don't pass him the ball, he floats right into their driving lanes to try to force the pass, it's stupid.
If I was getting 12 clear mismatches a game, and putting up the stats KP was putting up, and 3 quarters through the game, they've found me for like 4 of them and took crappy shots on the others, I'd have an issue...even if I was being the good soldier and whatever, because I know, that's going to get us nowhere later.
Look...the only guy shooting worse than KP at the half...LUKA. Kp was 3-10 and Luka was 3-11. Luka finished the game with 27 shots to KP's 14. He can late liberty and shoot himself out of any funk he's in, because he's got the ball, KP can't.
Every NON-guard that has ever existed in basketball from the dawn of time, especially 5s, have depended on the PG and the offensive set to get them to ball in a position to score. None of them bring it up and just launch into a series of one on one moves consistently and produce well, except maybe Giannis, but he's unique. That is a fact.
So this is on Luka and Carlisle and BRUNSON who can't pass his way out of a paper sack, in NBA context.
I'm astounded at the complete inability to just throw the ball to KP's hand on an entry pass at 7'3". Why must we have the bounce pass at his knees, when he's holding his hand up high? Seriously...that's like Basketball 101 in my opinion...of course, they are in the advanced Calculus of basketball to me, so all that may have changed, but I was taught different...which is fine.
(04-19-2021, 10:29 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Here is an idea: If you want the ball even more, make your shots.
(04-19-2021, 10:29 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Porzingis ranks 36th in FGA per game (so a high end 2nd option), 66th in FG%, 115th in 3pt FG%, tied 145th in APG.
Porzingis gets the ball, it´s a shot attempt or a turnover. So who is the blackhole here? How many shots is he entitled to based on his performances?
Here is an idea: If you want the ball even more, make your shots.
Kleber, Brunson, THJ, DFS shoot a much higher percentage from three.
(04-19-2021, 11:24 AM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]
These were 4 possessions I believe late in the 4th in a close game and none of them resulted in a shot for the guy that is our second best player and who is wide open. On what planet is that smart basketball?
At the half last night, KP (3-10) was shooting a better percentage than Luka (3-11)...and yet, we didn't move away from Luka...he just kept taking shots.
For the year.
Kristapps Porzingis -- 35.9% from 3 at 6 attempts per game
Luka Doncic -- 35.9% from 3 at 8 attempts per game
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/stats/_/na...t/dir/desc
So should Luka stop taking threes if KP is supposed to? He is literally shooting the same percentage from 3. Last night, when they stopped giving him the ball, he was shooting better than Luka, but Luka gets to shoot his way out of that... so your "make your shots" is a mic drop that fell down a hole and hasn't hit yet.
This game is literally the absolute worst game to pull out the "make your shots" take. KP was literally having one of his worst games of the season and he was still shooting better halfway through the game than Luka, and Luka just gets to shoot his way out of it and ignore KP.
(04-19-2021, 11:24 AM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]These were 4 possessions
(04-19-2021, 01:14 PM)mtrot Wrote: [ -> ]And, also, most of Luka's threes seem to be much more difficult shots and under more duress, compared to KP's threes.
(04-19-2021, 01:39 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs also have a top tier historically all-time knockdown 3pt shooter waiting on the bench as well. Mavs need Brunson+THJ to provide that spark. Moving Brunson up to start all but assures a weak bench.
Redick on the other hand can hit 2-3 threes just by standing around, and the spacing he provides should only make lives easier.
I don't know why Carlisle hasn't switched yet. The answer is clear as day for me.
(04-19-2021, 01:39 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs also have a top tier historically all-time knockdown 3pt shooter waiting on the bench as well. Mavs need Brunson+THJ to provide that spark. Moving Brunson up to start all but assures a weak bench.
Redick on the other hand can hit 2-3 threes just by standing around, and the spacing he provides should only make lives easier.
I don't know why Carlisle hasn't switched yet. The answer is clear as day for me.