I can't stop thinking about the 2015 draft and how badly the Mavs muffed
We drafted Justin Anderson [1st rd - 21st overall] and then all these players after him have made solid NBA contributions
22nd overall Bobby Portis
27th overall Larry Nance Jr.
32nd overall Montrezl Harrell
40th overall Josh Richardson
46th overall Norman Powell
And rather than trade up our second rounder to get into the talent, we WASTE our second rounder on Satnam Singh Bhamara [52nd overall]. Singh was the first player since the 2005 draft to enter without playing in college, overseas professionally, or in the NBA Development League. He was drafted just to provide an ending to the "One in a Billion" movie
The Mavs have true excellence at wasting draft picks
The draft is an uncertain game. While i agree on the Mavs not using it to their full potential, player projections are extremely hard. Hindsight is 20/20.
Look at who was drafted before Justin Anderson and turned out to be bottom end role players and bench fillers:
3rd Jahlil Okafor(10 MPG DET)
5th Mario Hezonja (out of the league)
6th WCS (17 MPG DAL)
7th Emmanuel Mudiay (out of the league)
8th Stanley Johnson (14 MPG TOR)
9th Frank Kaminsky (15 MPG PHX)
12th Trey Lyles (16MPG SAS)
14th Cameron Payne (16 MPG PHX)
17th Rashard Vaughn (out of the league)
18th Sam Dekker (out of the league)
19th Jerian Grant (out of the league)
(03-16-2021, 06:24 AM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]The draft is an uncertain game. While i agree on the Mavs not using it to their full potential, player projections are extremely hard. Hindsight is 20/20.
Look at who was drafted before Justin Anderson and turned out to be bottom end role players and bench fillers:
3rd Jahlil Okafor(10 MPG DET)
5th Mario Hezonja (out of the league)
6th WCS (17 MPG DAL)
7th Emmanuel Mudiay (out of the league)
8th Stanley Johnson (14 MPG TOR)
9th Frank Kaminsky (15 MPG PHX)
12th Trey Lyles (16MPG SAS)
14th Cameron Payne (16 MPG PHX)
17th Rashard Vaughn (out of the league)
18th Sam Dekker (out of the league)
19th Jerian Grant (out of the league)
Let's just remember that Markelle Fultz was billed as the most "can't miss prospect" of the last 10-15 years by many analysts, and people were surprised that Boston didn't select him?
I was not really upset with that draft. I was not an Anderson fan, even though I like a lot of Virginia players. I just wasn't sold on his three point percentage in his last year of college. I am surprised he has not found a niche though. I know he has stuck around the league for a while, but really has not made any mark.
My favorite guy in that range was Tyus Jones. I thought he was going to be really good backup/low level starter. He has been solid, but I was expecting more. After that, I liked Grant and as you mentioned he really didn't do anything.
Josh Green is the new Justin Anderson.
Honestly that's not even that bad. None of those other guys were obvious picks.
The 2020 draft is looking a lot worse. There's probably 6-8 guys picked right after Josh Green that I'd take right now.
(03-15-2021, 11:31 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]And rather than trade up our second rounder to get into the talent, we WASTE our second rounder on Satnam Singh Bhamara [52nd overall]. Singh was the first player since the 2005 draft to enter without playing in college, overseas professionally, or in the NBA Development League.
If the good talent is all gone, you can't pick what's not there.
I saw you gave a list of who they passed up at 21 (in favor of Anderson), that was picked later and had value.
How about at 52? The results of the players picked at 53-60 should tell us whether picking Singh at 52 was a blunder (or whether he was about the same as the others they had to pick from). I'm interested in hearing about those later picks, and what the Mavs missed out on at 52.
(03-16-2021, 12:42 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly that's not even that bad. None of those other guys were obvious picks.
The 2020 draft is looking a lot worse. There's probably 6-8 guys picked right after Josh Green that I'd take right now.
Yeah, the fact that you can only cherry pick 5 impact players in hindsight out of the ~40 picks after Anderson shows what a complete crap shoot late first round picks are in the NBA ... maybe the most overrated asset in all of professional sports.
(03-16-2021, 01:53 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]If the good talent is all gone, you can't pick what's not there.
I saw you gave a list of who they passed up at 21 (in favor of Anderson), that was picked later and had value.
How about at 52? The results of the players picked at 53-60 should tell us whether picking Singh at 52 was a blunder (or whether he was about the same as the others they had to pick from). I'm interested in hearing about those later picks, and what the Mavs missed out on at 52.
There was also a player in that draft that was a projected 1st round pick that went undrafted. I was begging the Mavs to pick him (up). Think he goes by the name Religious Boner.
Also some of the " haha others did worse in 2015 " examples include down years for franchises with a great track record drafting like Denver or Utah. It is no surprise Donnie is by FAR the worst drafting GM of the 2010-2019 period. He made one good pick in Crowder and the impact of that pick was negated ( in the statistical model ) by the next picks being Draymond and Middleton.
(03-16-2021, 01:53 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]If the good talent is all gone, you can't pick what's not there.
I saw you gave a list of who they passed up at 21 (in favor of Anderson), that was picked later and had value.
How about at 52? The results of the players picked at 53-60 should tell us whether picking Singh at 52 was a blunder (or whether he was about the same as the others they had to pick from). I'm interested in hearing about those later picks, and what the Mavs missed out on at 52.
There was no one drafted after 52 who stuck. A few undrafted guys, but that is pretty low as well. Royce O'neal and Christian Wood both went undrafted.
For me though, it was clear Singh was not an NBA player the first time you saw him. That was a gimmick pick. Same thing with "the Sarge". They traded Shake Milton for two later picks at the end of the draft. One being the Greek Freak's brother who played little at Dayton.
In a league when everything is so competitive, you can't throw away anything. The likely hood of finding a player late in the second round is very low, but to give away picks is frustrating to me.
(03-16-2021, 01:53 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]If the good talent is all gone, you can't pick what's not there.
I saw you gave a list of who they passed up at 21 (in favor of Anderson), that was picked later and had value.
How about at 52? The results of the players picked at 53-60 should tell us whether picking Singh at 52 was a blunder (or whether he was about the same as the others they had to pick from). I'm interested in hearing about those later picks, and what the Mavs missed out on at 52.
It's all lottery tickets but even without looking, Singh was a ticket with no numbers on it. It was just a PR move.
Nothing really great came after Singh.
Undrafted on the other hand: Quinn Cook, Christian Wood, TJ McConnell. Royce O'Neal,
(03-16-2021, 02:19 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, the fact that you can only cherry pick 5 impact players in hindsight out of the ~40 picks after Anderson shows what a complete crap shoot late first round picks are in the NBA ... maybe the most overrated asset in all of professional sports.
Classic excuse-making of/for a failing draft franchise,that gets virtually every pick outside the top 10 wrong. You think the Nuggets think drafting is useless? Jokic #42, Morris #51, Porter #14, Harris #19.
(03-16-2021, 02:50 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]There was no one drafted after 52 who stuck. A few undrafted guys, but that is pretty low as well. Royce O'neal and Christian Wood both went undrafted.
For me though, it was clear Singh was not an NBA player the first time you saw him. That was a gimmick pick. Same thing with "the Sarge". They traded Shake Milton for two later picks at the end of the draft. One being the Greek Freak's brother who played little at Dayton.
In a league when everything is so competitive, you can't throw away anything. The likely hood of finding a player late in the second round is very low, but to give away picks is frustrating to me.
Sarge was a legitimate basketball player, though the Mavs obviously didn't pick him for that reason. Him and Crowder dominated in the G-League ,but Sarge seemed to have the yips in the NBA. Crazy that the Bucks picked Giannis and Middleton immediately after Mavs picks.