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WELL, THAT WAS A PILE OF SUCKY-DOO

The Mavericks revealed before the game that Luka and KP would not play due to “injury recovery.” Carlisle explained that this had been determined before the ASB, was occasioned by the “dense schedule,” and would occur throughout the remaining season at various unannounced dates. Without their stars, the remaining Mavs looked like a random collection of ill-fitting spare parts. 


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GAME FLOW.  Coach went with his 17th starting lineup of the season — Brunson, Richardson, DFS, Maxi, and WCS. The Mavs had a perfectly dreadful first quarter, managing to score only 19 points and giving up 35 to the offensively challenged Thunder. By halftime, they had managed to chisel only one point off their deficit, being on the wrong end of a 47-62 scoreline. Things were no better at the end of the third, which ended at 74-89. OKC’s lead ballooned to a game-high 21 points in the third, and was back at 19 with 7:42 left in the game. The Mavericks went on a run to cut their disadvantage to two at 1:58, but could not complete the comeback. 

NUMBERS.  The Thunder, rated 29th in the league in three-point percentage, could not miss, hitting 10-14 from deep at halftime. They ultimately cooled off to 16-32, with many of those shots being open. When they were not bombing threes, they were hitting twos, scoring 50 PIP. They were terrors on the glass, out rebounding the hapless Mavericks 55-37, grabbing 16 offensive boards and scoring 13 second-chance points. It was a bad night for the Mavs to miss 10 free throws. 

SCORING. The guards did their darnedest offensively. J Rich led the team with 27 points, 10-15 shooting, and 6 assists. Brunson was close behind, with 26 points and 9-15 shooting. Hardaway had 24 off the bench, and Maxi added 14, including 4 threes. 

However, the other seven Mavs combined for 17. DFS had 6 points in 35 minutes, WCS none in 20, Burke 2 in 19. Rick pushed the Johnson, Powell, Green, and Boban buttons, all to no avail. 

DEFENSE. Basically, there was slim to none. It was a romp for the young Thunder, and the Mavs were brutally exposed. 

THE BRIGHT SIDE. While the disjointed Mavs were generally unable to string together a few successful possessions on either end of the court, they did manage to mount a rally in the fourth quarter, going on a 21-4 run in an approximately 6-minute span. So, at least they had that in them. 

THUNDER. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander led OKC with 32 points, including going 9-9 from the line. Veteran Al Horford put up 21 points and 9 rebounds. The team’s other starters were all in double figures. 


OBSERVATIONS

Carlisle admitted that his team got off to a “horrendous start,” not moving the ball, not concentrating defensively, and not delivering enough of a physical presence. They were lacking a “mental edge” on the boards, and playing small in the second half probably didn’t help in the rebounding battle. They contested a few of the Thunder’s threes “decently,” but allowed the opponent to shoot 60% from range most of the game. All in all, they needed to be better, and they just weren’t. When he was asked whether he considered giving the rooks and end-of-bench guys some run-out, he said no, beyond the couple of minutes Josh Green was out there, explaining that he was trying to win the game. 

The FSSW crew offered the opinion that the Mavs were “too casual,” did not play with enough energy, and suffered from lack of hustle. I don’t think there is much point in trying to break the game down in further detail. The team was poor, and the defense was Swiss-cheese porous. I think that sums it up adequately. Luka, with all his firepower, looked on pensively from the bench. 

This was a disappointing performance, to say the least, although the team did at least make it interesting at the end. One has to question the decision to rest both KP and Luka on the same night, especially since they were just coming off the All-Star Break and the weather hiatus. After the team has fought so hard to come back from the COVID-marred stretch of the season, it seemed baffling to throw away what “should” have been a win. Perhaps they underestimated the young Thunder. I rather hope they don’t repeat the experiment, if they don’t have to. 

In any case, the schedule moves relentlessly on, and the team will face the Nuggets in Denver on Saturday. Here’s hoping for better days. 
I’m probably exaggerating as it’s still fresh in my mind, but in my 15+ years of fandom, that might possibly have been the least enjoyable (regular season) Mavs game I’ve ever watched...
I didn't get to watch the game until the end.  Glad I don't have to recall the rest.
As much as I was excited for the win against the Spurs, I was just as disappointed in last nights loss.   Bad losses happen.  No shows happen.   

What is discouraging is how limited the rest of our roster is when Luka is out.  KP too when he is playing at peak level.   Brunson can create.   Richardson is ok.  Hardaway can get hot.   But there just isn't a lot of juice there.  This team really needs to upgrade at least two starters.  Very little of guys who can penetrate and get to the rim.   Poor rebounding.   And very little above average defense.   Just a team filled of good guy specialists.    I pray the front office sees this.   

The other disappointment is how far back our youngsters appear.   You have seen other teams tighten their rotations and some of the younger players have lost playing time.   With teams trying to win now you see this.  Especially in a tightened season.   I just want to see some growth to see some sign they is some development going on.  I expect some rough moments from the rookies and very uneven playing time, but we should occasionally see progress.  Also, sticking a youngster out there for 5 minutes every few games isn't going to ruin the game for the Mavs.  If it does, then they have made a bad draft pick.
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Lol, just a little inspiration for y’all this morning
The lowlight of the night was when the ghost of Horford drove straight to the basket for a dunk and the defense couldn't stop it...
(03-12-2021, 09:56 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]The lowlight of the night was when the ghost of Horford drove straight to the basket for a dunk and the defense couldn't stop it...
No, no, no, the lowlight of the night was that possession where the thunder fumbled the ball THREE times, and the ball ended up in the hands of Dort who nailed the three with a second to go. That one hurt.

honestly, at this point, I do actually think we may well, ironically, be on the treadmill of mediocrity that Cuban was so vehement in asserting was the worst place to be...
(03-12-2021, 10:05 AM)Paul Gasol Wrote: [ -> ]No, no, no, the lowlight of the night was that possession where the thunder fumbled the ball THREE times, and the ball ended up in the hands of Dort who nailed the three with a second to go. That one hurt.

honestly, at this point, I do actually think we may well, ironically, be on the treadmill of mediocrity that Cuban was so vehement in asserting was the worst place to be...

Actually the first 3 1/2 quarters if we are being honest...
And what about the 10 missed FTs?  When you spend as much time at the FT line as the Mavs did last night, you can't miss 10 FTs and expect to win.  And on top of that, you get badly out rebounded and out scored in the paint.
The worst thing was that the rookies didn't play

After the 1st quarter they should have been thrown in there for 10-12 minutes just to see what would happen
(03-12-2021, 04:52 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]WELL, THAT WAS A PILE OF SUCKY-DOO
Best title EVER!
(03-12-2021, 06:03 AM)Paul Gasol Wrote: [ -> ]I’m probably exaggerating as it’s still fresh in my mind, but in my 15+ years of fandom, that might possibly have been the least enjoyable (regular season) Mavs game I’ve ever watched...

It's definitely in the conversation.
(03-12-2021, 10:05 AM)Paul Gasol Wrote: [ -> ]No, no, no, the lowlight of the night was that possession where the thunder fumbled the ball THREE times, and the ball ended up in the hands of Dort who nailed the three with a second to go. That one hurt.
I thought that was a microcosm of the night.
(03-12-2021, 11:31 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]The worst thing was that the rookies didn't play
Well, actually, . . . .
I just want to say how ridiculous it was for Carlisle to give Green a pitiful 2 minutes in a game where we sat our 2 best players.

I don't understand. Did Carlisle not want Green? A player can't develop getting 12 DNP-CD's in a row and then coming back to spot minutes in a scheduled loss. 

If RC didn't want Green, why would Donnie draft him? Disappointing to say the least, but not surprising given the past high athletic low skilled players Mavs have drafted.
Bad loss, no matter what.   Tough schedule coming up with Nugs, Clippers and Blazers twice.  Will be lucky to win 2 games.
(03-13-2021, 03:01 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]SH, I respect your opinions and basketball knowledge, so please don't take this otherwise. I present a slightly different point. 

I just want to say how ridiculous it was for Carlisle to give Green a pitiful 2 minutes in a game where we sat our 2 best players.

I suspect that Green either (1) did something that Carlisle specifically told him not to do, or (2) didn't do something that Carlisle specifically told him to do. Maybe not, but I think he was pulled because he wasn't playing like Carlisle wanted him to. 

I don't understand. Did Carlisle not want Green? A player can't develop getting 12 DNP-CD's in a row and then coming back to spot minutes in a scheduled loss. 

I don't think Carlisle viewed this as a scheduled loss. I think he was genuinely surprised and disappointed that they lost. I realize the irony of saying this when KP and Luka were rested, but I nevertheless think that was his frame of reference.

Green might develop faster if he had game time. But rookies can also develop in practice, and hopefully they are. 

If RC didn't want Green, why would Donnie draft him? Disappointing to say the least, but not surprising given the past high athletic low skilled players Mavs have drafted.

I think there is a belief among many fans that the team should be giving the rookies development minutes this season. (Development minutes being minutes where the rookies are expected to be learning and playing through mistakes, as opposed to minutes where the rooks are primarily on the court in the expectation that they will make a positive impact on the game.)

Maybe giving the rookies more minutes should be the plan. Maybe not. I don't express a view on that in this post. But, at this point in the season, I think it is crystal clear that it isn't. 

Given that, I guess I don't really understand why people continue to be surprised when the rooks don't play competitive minutes, or get quick hooks. I think it was pretty simple -- Rick was trying to win the game without his two best players, put Green out there in the hopes that he would be a positive, then took him off right away when it appeared he wasn't ready.

I actually hear what you're saying in a larger sense. Maybe Rick assessed the Mavs' chances of winning wrongly and should have treated the match as a noncompetitive game. Maybe he's wrong about Green and the other rookies, and they could be contributing now. Maybe Donnie drafted the wrong guys. Maybe the organization should be prioritizing developing the rookies more. All of these are legitimately debatable points. 

I just think the in-game decision itself isn't so hard to understand, if we're right that Rick's instructions are to prioritize winning every game with the guys who are available over giving rookies development time.   
(03-13-2021, 09:44 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]I just think the in-game decision itself isn't so hard to understand, if we're right that Rick's instructions are to prioritize winning every game with the guys who are available over giving rookies development time.   

It's unreal how this fanbase is conditioned to rookie=loss. Who says Tyler Bey can't contribute more than Johnson or Powell, who barely look like NBA players. How come the Thunder can beat our veterans playing three rookies very heavy minutes. According to the Mavs infrastructure this seems impossible.
(03-13-2021, 11:27 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]It's unreal how this fanbase is conditioned to rookie=loss. Who says Tyler Bey can't contribute more than Johnson or Powell, who barely look like NBA players. How come the Thunder can beat our veterans playing three rookies very heavy minutes. According to the Mavs infrastructure this seems impossible.

I don't think the fanbase is particularly conditioned to rookie=loss. Otherwise, we wouldn't see so many fans complaining that the rookies don't get minutes. I think there are many fans who think that the rookies could contribute, or at least that they could get in a position to contribute if they had some playing time under their belts. And some rookies have played significant minutes. Isn't happening this season, though. 

Carlisle evidently thought that Bey couldn't contribute more than Johnson or Powell in this game. I don't have a way to know whether he was right or wrong, but he said after the game that he thought this match required experience. 

I disagree that Johnson and Powell barely look like NBA players. Powell is an intelligent player; unfortunately, he has just lost some athleticism with his injury. Johnson is inconsistent and makes dumb mistakes; however, he is capable of making a meaningful contribution on any given night. 

I kind of get not sending Bey out there in this particular game even if he were ready to contribute, given that he is just back from the G League and hasn't even been practicing with the team for a while. If the coaches get to the point that they think he can contribute more than some of the veterans, he will definitely be thrown out there ahead of them. 

There are many reasons to be disappointed in this loss. If we were to make an objective list of the factors contributing to it, Tyler Bey not playing would be far down on it, if he appeared at all. I get the desire to see how the rooks are doing -- I would enjoy seeing it, too. This just doesn't look like the season that the youngsters are going to be handed minutes that they haven't earned. Hopefully, they will improve to the point that the coaches will be dying to play them!

Not sure what you mean by "According to the Mavs infrastructure this seems impossible," but would be glad to consider if you care to elaborate. 

Agree that the situation is frustrating. I am not an irritable person by nature, but watching this game, I felt a strong desire to break a few valuables against the wall.
It was a clarifying game.  Four players showed up, and they are really the only rotation worthy players on the roster outside of Luka and KP.  DFS is probably a decent 9th  man, maybe. So, what additional two pieces are needed to elevate Luka, KP, Brunson, THJ, JRich, and Maxi into a title contending roster?  You need a good big who can rebound obviously and a starting 3. Luka, KP, and JRich start with the two new guys and THJ, JB, and Maxi form a nice bench, with some minutes for DFS and others as needed.
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