Kamm. The offense looks good because questionable 3 pt shots are going in. This team even with a so called historic offense last year, struggled against good teams in the clutch because they really don’t know how to work for a good shot.
When I see beautiful ball movement as I see with Utah, it is a different game. Spurs don’t have the same talent level and Mavs will cross them. I still see so much better ball movement and player movement. Bad habits and getting bailed out is not my idea of a good offense
(02-14-2021, 02:52 PM)Dahlsim Wrote: [ -> ]Luka Doncic needs to try and lead that team, out of a hole and into the playoffs in the WC, a monumental task.
Am I missing someone that is maybe getting shorted by Luka's high usage and dominance?
No intent to slight Luka, who is a generational talent. Agree that they need him to be the dominant offensive player to survive at this point.
Just an observation that heliocentric offenses don't tend to hold up well in the playoffs in the modern NBA. Probably not even relevant to the Mavs this season, as they aren't likely to go far enough that it will matter before they get a chance to reset next season.
It will be something to keep an eye on when the Mavs play the better teams as the season progresses. If they're game-planning to keep the ball out of Luka's hands in a playoff-style fashion, can the Mavs counter?
Not saying they can't. I hope they do. But, I think it's a legitimate issue.
(02-14-2021, 03:11 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]The offense looks good because questionable 3 pt shots are going in.
In the last 5 games the Mavs have been 3rd in the NBA in above-the-break three % and 14th in the NBA in corner three %, yet they are 1st in the NBA in offensive rating. The three point shooting has been good and contributed, but their offense is not a pure function of stupid good three point shooting. Again, the ball movement has been a lot better and the Mavs are scoring efficiently in these last games all over the court.
(02-14-2021, 03:11 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]The offense looks good because questionable 3 pt shots are going in.
For the season, Mavs shot 0 three pointers with opponent close (0-2 feet). Last in league. 3 pointers where defender is within 2-4 feet represent 4,3 % of all of their shots - middle of the pack in the league. 18,3 % of all Mavs shots are open three pointers, with defender 4-6 feet away - 4th in league. 19,9 % of three pointers are wide open - middle of the pack. Utah shoots a bit more tightly defended, less open and more wide open shots. The difference is in accuracy:
Tight: Dal: 28 %, Uta: 33 %
Open: Dal: 35 %, Uta: 37 %
Wide open: Dal: 36 %, Uta: 42 %
Utah shoots 42 threes per game (most in league), Dallas 37 (8th in league). Ball movement is not a problem, accuracy is. Mavs can generate tons of open looks, they are just not converting them very well.
To fix the problem it is worth dealing with issues which are not running well rather than those which are trending good. How to fix D itm would be better theme to discuss.
(02-14-2021, 02:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Fixed it for you. 
Damn Kamm, you're good today. Hope you won't get traded
(02-14-2021, 03:34 PM)LukTheShadow Wrote: [ -> ]To fix the problem it is worth dealing with issues which are not running well rather than those which are trending good. How to fix D itm would be better theme to discuss.
Luk, you are right that the defense appears to be a more urgent issue today. But I think it is legitimate to discuss longer-term issues, as well.
The super-Luka-dependent offense is necessary for now, in order to survive, and it seems to be working all right at the moment, at least against some of the league's weaker teams. And they realistically probably don't have much choice.
But, bigger picture, if they want to contend, they really need more non-Luka playmaking ability out there. Brunson furnishes that to a degree, but heavy minutes for him involves a trade-off on the defensive end. Maybe Josh can grow into that, which would be great. Or, maybe they need a roster addition. Or some combination of solutions.
Not an emergency, like the defense. But still important.
More interesting stats. Mavs take 16,6 % of shots after 7+ dribbles, second in league. Utah is 6th. However, Mavs score 52,8 % of these shots. First in league. Utah only 46 %, 8th in league. Only 4 % (so roughly one quarter of 7+ dribbles shots) of all shots are three pointers, and Mavs convert 35 % of them. Utah only 30 %.
20 % of Mavs shots are after 6+ seconds of touch time. Second in league behind Portland. Utah is 7th in league. Mavs convert 49 % of those shots - 3rd in league. Utah just 44 %, middle of the pack.
(02-14-2021, 03:55 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]More interesting stats. Mavs take 16,6 % of shots after 7+ dribbles, second in league. Utah is 6th. However, Mavs score 52,8 % of these shots. First in league. Utah only 46 %, 8th in league. Only 4 % (so roughly one quarter of 7+ dribbles shots) of all shots are three pointers, and Mavs convert 35 % of them. Utah only 30 %.
20 % of Mavs shots are after 6+ seconds of touch time. Second in league behind Portland. Utah is 7th in league. Mavs convert 49 % of those shots - 3rd in league. Utah just 44 %, middle of the pack.
So your saying our playmakers are quite good at creating shots for themself? And we are heavyly relying on this kind of offense?
(02-14-2021, 03:11 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]Kamm. The offense looks good because questionable 3 pt shots are going in. This team even with a so called historic offense last year, struggled against good teams in the clutch because they really don’t know how to work for a good shot.
When I see beautiful ball movement as I see with Utah, it is a different game. Spurs don’t have the same talent level and Mavs will cross them. I still see so much better ball movement and player movement. Bad habits and getting bailed out is not my idea of a good offense
Hakeem, in recent games, the Mavs have been driving to the basket and taking (and often making) midrange shots in the paint in the fourth quarter. They are actually quite well-behaved and playing much smarter lately. Let's hope it lasts.
(02-14-2021, 04:04 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]So your saying our playmakers are quite good at creating shots for themself? And we are heavyly relying on this kind of offense?
Well, iI don't think 15-20 % is heavily relying. They do shoot more of those shots than most of the league, yes. But as you said, Mavs are very efficient on these shots. I was more trying to point out that "Utah beautiful ball movement game" isn't really that much more beautiful than Mavs one. I think all these numbers just confirm what Kamm said. There is nothing wrong with Mavs offense. Relying too much on Luka is another story
(02-14-2021, 02:00 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]If we laughed at Russ and Harden for being ball dominate while giving inconsistent at best effort on defense, why do we rave about Luka?
Just saying that Harden/CP3/Capela team was 47-4 when they played. Good for a 76 win pace. They were also the only team to give the fully healthy Warriors Triumvirate a run for their money in a 7 game series.
So that style of play CAN work. It just takes the right personnel, and it remains to be seen if it can actually last since players just stood in the corner and watched Harden/CP3 take turns. Thankfully Luka does move the ball a fair bit more than Harden ever did.
But I agree with you, it's getting a little tiring just watching our team jack up 3 after 3 after 3. We might need to rename ourselves the Dallas Mavbricks at this rate.