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Nate Hinton is an A++ when it comes to the energy, effort and heart department. His biggest strength as a player resides on the defensive end where he routinely made plays both on and off the ball, guarding multiple positions and having great IQ/Awareness as a help defender. Offensively, he's still raw, especially for the NBA level, but he's shown promise as a three point shooter and the good thing is he won't be asked to do much more than that. -Hoop Intellect 

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We're thin at the bigs, and no fours or fives this evening...
(11-19-2020, 01:55 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]We're thin at the bigs, and no fours or fives this evening...

It's going to be fine.

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(11-19-2020, 01:55 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]We're thin at the bigs, and no fours or fives this evening...

Perfect for a Rick Carlisle roster. 

They don't need many bigs but they're going bigger and tougher on the wings.
(11-19-2020, 02:00 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-19-2020, 01:55 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]We're thin at the bigs, and no fours or fives this evening...

It's going to be fine.

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Wrong Nugget, imho. But, in your defense, we have no shot at the right one.
(11-19-2020, 02:56 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-19-2020, 02:00 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-19-2020, 01:55 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]We're thin at the bigs, and no fours or fives this evening...

It's going to be fine.

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Wrong Nugget, imho. But, in your defense, we have no shot at the right one.

Paul Millsap is never the wrong nugget, you butt nugget.  Grant is also overrated.  Now that he has broken out, I'd love to see him on a bad team.
Hmm...

Love Hinton. That's another free stab at athletic defense. 

Maybe Dizzy Gillespie has potential on that end, too, but on offense, he seems to be a face-up, finesses "stretch" 5...who can only "stretch" out to about 10 feet away from the basket. Someone might need to talk me into this one.
I know ppl on this board get excited ab 2-way guys but none of these guys ever pan out. What are the odds of a 2-way guy making it on the roster? I think JJB was maybe our big success story when there was a D-league? I don't recall if he was on the active roster or not when the Mavs got him.

I feel like these 2-way guys are all lottery tickets to even ever make the rotation on an active roster.
(11-19-2020, 10:32 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I know ppl on this board get excited ab 2-way guys but none of these guys ever pan out. What are the odds of a 2-way guy making it on the roster? I think JJB was maybe our big success story when there was a D-league? I don't recall if he was on the active roster or not when the Mavs got him.

I feel like these 2-way guys are all lottery tickets to even ever make the rotation on an active roster.

DFS would've worked out if he wouldn't have predated the 2-way contract, imo. Just saying. 

What I like about Hinton is that he is simply ANOTHER free spin on the "which athletic guy sticks here" wheel. The Green pick is making more and more sense, now that it has become clear that the Mavs went into last night with the goal of getting more ATHLETIC. That, imo, was unpredictable and a very interesting surprise.
(11-19-2020, 10:32 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I know ppl on this board get excited ab 2-way guys but none of these guys ever pan out. What are the odds of a 2-way guy making it on the roster? I think JJB was maybe our big success story when there was a D-league? I don't recall if he was on the active roster or not when the Mavs got him.

I feel like these 2-way guys are all lottery tickets to even ever make the rotation on an active roster.

Maybe for the Mavs but other teams use them to develop valuable rotation pieces. Duncan Robinson, Alex Caruso, Monte Morris, Derrick Jones JR, Torrey Craig, Daniel House or Quinn Cook all earned minutes on playoff teams. Some of them started.
I agree that most of the guys don´t make it but that does not mean that the Mavs should not try as hard as they can to nail the two-way contracts. Let´s say that the Mavs give two-way contracts to ten different players in the next 5 years. If only one of them reaches the level of current DJJ or Caruso it was worth it.
I'm going to keep saying this: For me, it's not even about whether all or most of these guys work out. I'm so happy that they went into the night carrying a mindset of "get younger and more athletic."

I've been begging for something different than young Dirk/Nash era, and this, imho, is a notable difference.
(11-19-2020, 10:59 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to keep saying this: For me, it's not even about whether all or most of these guys work out. I'm so happy that they went into the night carrying a mindset of "get younger and more athletic."

I've been begging for something different than young Dirk/Nash era, and this, imho, is a notable difference.
Philly was a revolving door at the end of their bench and one of them became Covington. Finally the Mavs got it. You try and then you try again and again, until you find one rotational player. The Mavs just got five rookies on a 17 men roster. Strength in numbers, baby. Somebody check whether Carlisle is okay.  Big Grin
Kind of bummed not to see Ty-Shon Alexander as one of them!  I got excited when he made it through the draft.  I am wondering what people are seeing (or not seeing) in that guy!  Good shooter/defender!  Maybe not positionally flexible enough?

Btw, Suns just picked him up.   Angry Angry Angry
(11-19-2020, 03:36 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of bummed not to see Ty-Shon Alexander as one of them! 


Yeah bummed about him BUT what I have seen of Hinton I REALLY like.
(11-19-2020, 03:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-19-2020, 03:36 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of bummed not to see Ty-Shon Alexander as one of them! 


Yeah bummed about him BUT what I have seen of Hinton I REALLY like.

Meh.  Not seeing an NBA player there.  Maybe as a situational defender.  But he doesn't seem to have a solid offensive game at all.  Alexander had it on both ends.  I know we are talking about non-drafted players, but if I am taking a shot at someone, I want him to project into someone who could contribute on both ends - RC would never play Hinton.  Don't know.  Time will tell.  I just really liked Alexander's game and thought he could be a nice fit here as a 6'4'' athlete who defends/shoots/creates.  I don't know why he didn't get drafted!
(11-19-2020, 10:34 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The Green pick is making more and more sense, now that it has become clear that the Mavs went into last night with the goal of getting more ATHLETIC. That, imo, was unpredictable and a very interesting surprise.

What else did you consider to be the stan move? Trading for veteran, established players? 

If you consider what we lacked in wings, length, hustle, and what failed us in close games which was, its not surprising at all to go more athletic.

I was looking yesterday at our game against Rockets (Nov 2019), we blew them out without our athletic DFS. Shooting was pretty much key and a team hustled effort contributed to blowing them out. There was no need to be acrobatic with the offense, just be smart. Then I watch the playoff games against Clippers, where most of there roster is heavy on wings, and we've lack the length and size to limit an offensive Kawhi. 

Now, with the current roster so far who would you put on Leonard? J.Rich? J.Green? T.Bey? You got a great problem here to figure this out.

(11-19-2020, 10:18 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Dizzy Gillespie has potential on that end, too, but on offense, he seems to be a face-up, finesses "stretch" 5...who can only "stretch" out to about 10 feet away from the basket. Someone might need to talk me into this one.

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
LOL Didn't expect to see a Dizzy Gillespie reference in a Mavs board at all. One of my favorite jazz musicians ever.

Freddie's got great positional defensively. The speed in NBA is going to be a bit more deceptive than in BIG XII. His offense is stale. Jump shot within 5 feet, slow hook shots, and not explosive enough to go for the dunk. His going to have mold his game like Tim Duncan if he wants to go next level.
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