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Just wanted to make a place for Killer to forbid it over and over and over again.

Yes, they can trade him. In fact, most of the names we are discussing, I am pretty sure Omax would be the piece that most interested other teams.

Will they trade him? I would guess no at this time. I would think he would be least likely of our current assets to be moved. He was Nico guy and you tend to hold on to your guys a little longer.

Can the mavs trade omax? Sure!

Then he can become an allstar for some other team and pummel the mavs during the next 10 seasons...and playoffs.

Is that a realistic scenario? It's still too early to know, but I'd give it a 60/40 shot at this time.

Some people say we need a team full of veterans to win NOW...at all costs. The chances of that are also 60/40.

We do need some upgrades at certain positions. Then we have a...60/40 shot at winning--now.

But if we have no youngsters or rookies in development the mavs will be a flash in the pan and drop to 40/60, or less, in a year or two.

I would rather have a 60/40 shot at being good every year, year after year, than flame out, and tank, and tank, and tank...

Disclaimer: all this is my opinion based on watching for many, many, many years of basketball, and not backed up by hard facts. I don't need no stinkin' facts.

My uneducated opinion is if there is no good deal to be had...work around the edges for a decent(Not ALl-Star but decent) two way wing and back up center. Yes, I am sure they are hard to find even though Hartenstein, Goga and others come to market yearly...if they are willing to play in Dallas is another variable.

If we can land a decent filler for our weak points without giving up the farm...and those small moves propel our team...then you know what you are lacking and you can spend the farm on a top dollar weak point.

From the reading I have done...Mavs might have a chance at Siakam because no one else is offering anything special for him because he is a rental and you might be able to just sign him in the offseason. I just dont know if I spend the farm of all our youth for Siakam even if he is the only All-Star available and he fills a major void on our team.

I just really dont want to get rid of OMax due to size and athleticism. You have to pay a ton to acquire these guys now a days or draft them. We drafted him...so I would prefer to not give up so early.

If Luka is requesting vets like Lebron now a days I guess you pull that trigger if Siakam is gettable.

(01-13-2024, 10:00 AM)The Jom Wrote: [ -> ]Just wanted to make a place for Killer to forbid it over and over and over again.

The appropriate response to the thread title ends with "...and the horse you rode in on."

I enjoy Killer's schtick (or position) as much as anyone.  But the answer to your question is 'of course we can'.  In fact, OMax is far more logical as a trade chip for Siakam than guards like Green and Hardy.  Toronto has guards.  What they don't have is someone to replace Siakam and occupy that space between Poeltl and Barrett, Barnes, Quickly and presumably Hardaway.  The fact that OMax is Canadian is an added benefit.  But, if given the choice, I suspect Toronto would prefer Kuminga all things being equal.

That brings up an interesting comparison.  Kuminga is actually younger than OMax.  Pull up a highlight game of Kuminga and the best G-League highlights you can find of OMax.  The difference is pretty stark.  IF GS is considering Kuminga in a deal, we can certainly consider OMax.

A team that has Siakam, GWill and DJJ (not to mention our PF-sized PG) can probably live without OMax.  In fact, finding minutes for him would be quite challenging.

If we remove the emotional investment we have in OMax because he's our guy or we knew (even before the draft) that he was going to be great, then this makes some sense.  If, in the summer, I told you we could drop down two positions in the draft and move Bertans and THJ for Siakam, would anyone have said no?  If we add 2027 that's still a good deal.  

I kind of suspect OMax is getting some G-League run right now to showcase him as much as to develop him.  He's a man among boys there and looks far different than he looks against pro's.  THJ has to be in any deal for Siakam.  He and THJ make $20.5mm.  You have to get a little over $30mm to match Siakam and unless Toronto is cutting someone, you have to add some salary beyond that to take back someone small like Temple or Koloko.  Any of Maxi, Holmes of GWill gets you there.  Which one goes out and what kind of draft compensation is added are the questions to be answered in the most simple/direct version of this.  That version causes issues for Dallas next summer, but adding a second of those salaries (or Green) gets us room in 2024/25 to retain DJJ.

I personally think any Siakam deal HAS to include OMax from Toronto's perspective.  The better question is whether we can trade the other stuff they might want and still field enough depth to support our Big 3.  The other question is what does the team look like after giving up those players if Siakam walks.  We took that risk (DFS, SD and an unprotected pick) with Kyrie.  I'm not sure why, if faced with the same decision, the team wouldn't do the same thing with Siakam...even if OMax is part of the deal.  It doesn't mean I don't like OMax.  I'm just closer to the position that says if you have Luka and Kyrie and Lively and can add Siakam to that...you do it and try to win now.

For the right trade, sure. He's an older rookie to start with so we were probably hoping he would have been more NBA ready right now. For a trade that brings back a good forward with size he's an obvious trade piece. If Siakam was really on the table they'd pull that trigger

Sorry, Killer. Nobody has your back in this thread. Except loki and maybe scott.

@Killerleft. Use your power and expell the heretics. For they have sinned and spread fear among the children of Mav.

(01-13-2024, 12:59 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I enjoy Killer's schtick (or position) as much as anyone.  But the answer to your question is 'of course we can'.  In fact, OMax is far more logical as a trade chip for Siakam than guards like Green and Hardy.  Toronto has guards.  What they don't have is someone to replace Siakam and occupy that space between Poeltl and Barrett, Barnes, Quickly and presumably Hardaway.  The fact that OMax is Canadian is an added benefit.  But, if given the choice, I suspect Toronto would prefer Kuminga all things being equal.

That brings up an interesting comparison.  Kuminga is actually younger than OMax.  Pull up a highlight game of Kuminga and the best G-League highlights you can find of OMax.  The difference is pretty stark.  IF GS is considering Kuminga in a deal, we can certainly consider OMax.

A team that has Siakam, GWill and DJJ (not to mention our PF-sized PG) can probably live without OMax.  In fact, finding minutes for him would be quite challenging.

If we remove the emotional investment we have in OMax because he's our guy or we knew (even before the draft) that he was going to be great, then this makes some sense.  If, in the summer, I told you we could drop down two positions in the draft and move Bertans and THJ for Siakam, would anyone have said no?  If we add 2027 that's still a good deal.  

I kind of suspect OMax is getting some G-League run right now to showcase him as much as to develop him.  He's a man among boys there and looks far different than he looks against pro's.  THJ has to be in any deal for Siakam.  He and THJ make $20.5mm.  You have to get a little over $30mm to match Siakam and unless Toronto is cutting someone, you have to add some salary beyond that to take back someone small like Temple or Koloko.  Any of Maxi, Holmes of GWill gets you there.  Which one goes out and what kind of draft compensation is added are the questions to be answered in the most simple/direct version of this.  That version causes issues for Dallas next summer, but adding a second of those salaries (or Green) gets us room in 2024/25 to retain DJJ.

I personally think any Siakam deal HAS to include OMax from Toronto's perspective.  The better question is whether we can trade the other stuff they might want and still field enough depth to support our Big 3.  The other question is what does the team look like after giving up those players if Siakam walks.  We took that risk (DFS, SD and an unprotected pick) with Kyrie.  I'm not sure why, if faced with the same decision, the team wouldn't do the same thing with Siakam...even if OMax is part of the deal.  It doesn't mean I don't like OMax.  I'm just closer to the position that says if you have Luka and Kyrie and Lively and can add Siakam to that...you do it and try to win now.

Totally agree with this. Another thing to note. Siakam and Omax have same agent. I would think that this is an additional factor making it likely Omax is moved if Mavs can strike a Siakam deal. Agent puts both clients in good position. Siakam on a contender with a window to compete for title in next couple of years. Omax on retooling team where he is likely to get more opportunity to develop into what his ceiling is.

(01-13-2024, 01:42 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Totally agree with this. Another thing to note. Siakam and Omax have same agent. I would think that this is an additional factor making it likely Omax is moved if Mavs can strike a Siakam deal. Agent puts both clients in good position. Siakam on a contender with a window to compete for title in next couple of years. Omax on retooling team where he is likely to get more opportunity to develop into what his ceiling is.

I would deplore a trade for Siakam that gave up OMax - no matter how favorable the other parts were to the Mavs - if the Mavs pulled the trigger without a virtual assurance from Siakam that he would re-sign. I'd still throw up in my mouth a little bit. 

The thing that seems to get left out of this discussion is that if the Mavs trade for Siakam and he re-signs, you can pretty much kiss DJJ goodbye too. It actually makes more sense for the Mavs to include DJJ in the deal and hold back OMax. Theoretically, if Siakam walked in the summertime (epic fail), the Mavs could re-acquire DJJ.

The Mavs cannot trade O-Max. I forbid it.

(01-13-2024, 02:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs cannot trade O-Max. I forbid it.

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(01-13-2024, 03:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

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Somehow I pictured Killer as taller than that.

To add the third star necessary to not waste the Luka/Kyrie years, someone young we like is getting traded. It’s not DLive. Omax isn't in the GLeague to help the Mavs next year.

(01-13-2024, 02:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs cannot trade O-Max. I forbid it.

Well, glad we got that settled.

After 30+ games, Omax has become less jumpy, it's obvious to me how nervous he was in the first few games, but as he adds to his experience he's getting more comfortable. He doesn't look helpful right now, but he's exactly the right kind of dude you invest on. The floor for him is a DFS with handles. I hope the Mavs put their foot down and say NO to inclusion of Omax for any of the names we talked for the PF upgrade.

Note: Thinking Siakam "could" sign here is just risky. But I'd be willing to part with a FRP + SRP + Hardy for that risk, anything more, just walk away.

No Omax options:
1. THJ+Holmes+Hardy+FRP (initial offer)
2. THJ+GWill+Hardy+FRP (if Raps do not want Holmes)
3. THJ+Holmes+JG+SRP (if they're pushing for Green, counter with inclusion of Holmes and take away the first round pick)
4. THJ+GWill+Hardy+FRP+SRP (if they really do not like Holmes, just add an SRP to option 2. This is as far as the Mavs should go)

Omax option:
5. THJ+Holmes+Omax+SRP (Raps need to take Holmes with Omax and then replace the FRP with an SRP... they don't want it? Fine, let's end this talk)

(01-13-2024, 07:57 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Omax option: 

The Mavs cannot trade O-Max. I forbid it.