There are several PF types who are plausibly available at this deadline (some more overtly than others). Our discussions seem to always gravitate to that position as the best option to add another talented, high-minute player. I'm not sure it's the only way to go, but it's definitely the board consensus.
I'm listing what I believe are the top 3 targets, but we've discussed others, and there might be some I can't think of at the moment.
Just curious where the board consensus is on this.
Good poll, although I could choose several answers. For example, I don't have a problem standing pat till summer (Mavs are not in a good position to trade at TDL), but absolutely want them to make a move then. Still, I won't choose the last option.
Option not listed would also be a possibility, especially in the summer. Some interesting players will have player options in the summer (LeBron, Kawhi, George for example). BKN will need to decide about Bridges by next TDL. I could also consider some "poor man versions" like Tobias Harris, DeAndre Hunter or similar.
In general, I don't think there is a perfect player checking all the boxes. We are looking for third best player and these type of guys have their flaws. Siakam is not a good shooter, Grant is a worse rebounder, Markanen is a worse defender. I have most doubts with Markanen, but Mavs probably don't have the assets for him anyway, even in the summer.
That is why I pick "any of them" option, which would include the "other options".
Oh man, good poll. Very difficult decision. We definitely need a strong PF type player. One problem for me is the cost. What can we afford? I'm also strongly apposed to wasting draft choices--for trades--or otherwise. We've got some deadwood on the team we could trade. Omax is not one of them at this time.
Soooo...I don't think we can afford what we need at this time. If something drops in our lap (Paul George type)...take it! Otherwise I think I'd stand pat until summer. Then draft and trade judiciously.
I would certainly make a move if I found something I liked. I would be surprised if I find something I liked and was available though. A move will eventually need to be made and it has to be the right move.
as for now, I am excited what we have and how they grow. They are not finished products and I imagine 1-2 won't be here after a trade is made. But I feel we finally have longish, athletic wings who can do a lot of different things:
1)Exum- just great so far. Stay healthy please
2) Jones Jr- another great signing. He recent slide on shooting is a little concerning. Especially when games become bigger. But despite shooting in the 20's from 3 the last 10 games, I still feel like he has been a positive
3) Josh Green- Just be more visible on the court please. How he played for GS is the standard. Can he just find ways to make positive impacts even when he is not scoring?
4) Grant Williams- Has been a disappointment so far. If the guys above all play well though, I think there is a role that Grant is probably better suited for as a heavy bench player or spot starter. Needs to cut down on the defensive mistakes and rebound a bit better. If he does that, he will be fine.
5) Omax- Not ready yet. Will he earn a consistent spot this year? I would guess no. But he has the traits to be the exact type of role player we need. Will he get there? Not sure, but I think he has the character that will allow him to get the most out of his potential
6) Maxi- Big questions of what he is. Ideally, his skill set fits in really well as a 20 minute player if he is still that player.
I think a nice group of guys. Probably just missing that one guy. Give 4 of these while adding that guy and now we have something moving forward.
I should have listed Draymond Green as an option. I have an eerie feeling that's where this is headed. It scares me to death, frankly.
(01-01-2024, 12:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I should have listed Draymond Green as an option. I have an eerie feeling that's where this is headed. It scares me to death, frankly.
That would be a win-never move.
I did not vote in the poll, for similar reasons to omahen. It's a combination of the last two. In terms of what Chicagojk said, the issue with all of those wings we have now short of Maxi is that they're all too short. We need a big, rangy wing. Lauri and Siakam meet the criteria of "3rd-best on a contender;" I just don't believe we have the assets to win the sweepstakes for either in-season. Grant would be cheaper than both, but still costly, in ways that could hamper us from getting a legit 3rd-best guy in the offseason.
On the other hand, OG was always the consistent pipe dream for me, and absolutely ideal fit as the 3rd-best player. His disappearance from board rather changes the long view. Really, the only other guy out there who I really think is worth our full asset stash this coming summer is Mikal Bridges. If we had intel that Brooklyn would accept our all-in offer for him this summer, I keep my powder dry. If not, I look at it in terms of trading what we can trade at the TDL for a frontcourt upgrade, then use what we have left in the summertime for another fairly big piece. I still think that a deal for DFS, if it didn't include our '27, would be fantastic. In any event, I do agree with you, KL, that if THJ is traded, whether at the TDL or this summer, his scoring needs to be replaced by what comes in in one of the two deals.
Good poll with good option choices. I chose the too early option. I want to get a longer look at what we have. I just posted this in another thread, but I think its a cool stat. The Lively/Luka/DJJ/Exum 4 man lineup is +40 and +71 when you add Kyrie (small sample). I want to see our new starting lineup when healthy.
(01-01-2024, 01:12 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I did not vote in the poll, for similar reasons to omahen. It's a combination of the last two. In terms of what Chicagojk said, the issue with all of those wings we have now short of Maxi is that they're all too short. We need a big, rangy wing. Lauri and Siakam meet the criteria of "3rd-best on a contender;" I just don't believe we have the assets to win the sweepstakes for either in-season. Grant would be cheaper than both, but still costly, in ways that could hamper us from getting a legit 3rd-best guy in the offseason.
On the other hand, OG was always the consistent pipe dream for me, and absolutely ideal fit as the 3rd-best player. His disappearance from board rather changes the long view. Really, the only other guy out there who I really think is worth our full asset stash this coming summer is Mikal Bridges. If we had intel that Brooklyn would accept our all-in offer for him this summer, I keep my powder dry. If not, I look at it in terms of trading what we can trade at the TDL for a frontcourt upgrade, then use what we have left in the summertime for another fairly big piece. I still think that a deal for DFS, if it didn't include our '27, would be fantastic. In any event, I do agree with you, KL, that if THJ is traded, whether at the TDL or this summer, his scoring needs to be replaced by what comes in in one of the two deals.
Well said. If Brooklyn wants a high lotto pick, next offseason is the time for them to deal Bridges and tank. After 2025 they won't have full control of their own 1st rounder again until 2028. It still feels like a pipe dream though unless you can get Kyrie or Luka in his ear.
Bridges would likely cost a royal package to get. But BKN issue is, will he want to resign after next 2 offseasons. Difficult to see BKN get to contender level in two seasons. They can get best package for him next season, afterwards he is expiring.
I'm for a minor move now. I really enjoyed the back and forth on Olynyk the other day. There are 19 or so games till the TDL. We need a back-up C ASAP. Save the FRP's for the summer.
Also, waive Morris before 1/10/24 and save the spot for a buyout player.
Happy New Year.
An interesting outside take on all of this.
I don't think any of the options we've discussed check the box this guy is talking about (OG would've) and actually, DJJ might be the best way to go.
https://youtu.be/uGullYlAjUE?si=4fGEDWJdsjOc66Qn
(01-01-2024, 05:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]An interesting outside take on all of this.
I don't think any of the options we've discussed check the box this guy is talking about (OG would've) and actually, DJJ might be the best way to go.
https://youtu.be/uGullYlAjUE?si=4fGEDWJdsjOc66Qn
Good video. If you think about it, Thybulle was the guy they wanted. The offer for him came before the GWill deal. Was GWill the fallback or would both have happened?
Also, according to this guy, Thybulle would not have been instead of Green, he could have been in addition to Green. DJJ has been a poor man’s Thybulle. Odd that he didn’t mention Exum. As good as ‘starter-Exum’ has been, even Green fan-boy Dan doesn’t want to mess with that right now.
(01-01-2024, 07:03 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Good video. If you think about it, Thybulle was the guy they wanted. The offer for him came before the GWill deal. Was GWill the fallback or would both have happened?
Also, according to this guy, Thybulle would not have been instead of Green, he could have been in addition to Green. DJJ has been a poor man’s Thybulle. Odd that he didn’t mention Exum. As good as ‘starter-Exum’ has been, even Green fan-boy Dan doesn’t want to mess with that right now.
I thought it was a good analysis of the bigger Dallas names, and how they might fit together into a model that makes sense to the speaker, but the model itself was sort of the value to the watch, imo. I think he betrayed a slight lack of nuanced knowledge of the Mavs' inner workings with his tepid Lively take and the fact that Exum and DJJ weren't even mentioned.
I think Williams would've still happened with Thybulle, yes, but I DON'T think DJJ would've, and I actually think he has been better than Thybulle would've been. Just my opinion.
So, Stein says the Mavs want a 4, but Siakam is not their top target. Assuming both of those pieces of info are real...
Markkanen
Grant
Green
Zion
Collins
Isaac
Who am I missing? I don't think Randle is available (thank God) and I can't see New Orleans moving Ingrim. Maybe Tobias Harris?
(01-01-2024, 07:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]So, Stein says the Mavs want a 4, but Siakam is not their top target. Assuming both of those pieces of info are real...
Markkanen
Grant
Green
Zion
Collins
Isaac
Who am I missing? I don't think Randle is available (thank God) and I can't see New Orleans moving Ingrim. Maybe Tobias Harris?
Zion is fool's good. The other four would be nice, but as I've said, Draymond is a win-never move - that contract, that cancerous effect on the locker room - would be so profoundly destructive. How long until he'd be available anyway?
(01-01-2024, 07:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]So, Stein says the Mavs want a 4, but Siakam is not their top target. Assuming both of those pieces of info are real...
Markkanen
Grant
Green
Zion
Collins
Isaac
Who am I missing? I don't think Randle is available (thank God) and I can't see New Orleans moving Ingrim. Maybe Tobias Harris?
You'd all hate me for this LOL.
But I think it's Kuz.
Can play both forward spots, can replace THJ's scoring. Can handle the ball. Can rebound adequately. 6'9" can match up with big wings and not be bullied.
He isn't my top choice, but if the Mavs truly are not into misdirection and has a top target other than Siakam and Lauri (who's going to cost too much), Kuz might be it.
Deal could be like this:
THJ+Hardy+Holmes+FRP for Kuz and Muscala
* Second suspect is PJ Washington.
Zion? Dramond Green?
Hell NO!
(01-01-2024, 08:17 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]You'd all hate me for this LOL.
But I think it's Kuz.
Can play both forward spots, can replace THJ's scoring. Can handle the ball. Can rebound adequately. 6'9" can match up with big wings and not be bullied.
He isn't my top choice, but if the Mavs truly are not into misdirection and has a top target other than Siakam and Lauri (who's going to cost too much), Kuz might be it.
Deal could be like this:
THJ+Hardy+Holmes+FRP for Kuz and Muscala
* Second suspect is PJ Washington.
Wow, I totally forgot about Kuzma (might have been wishful forgetfulness) and PJ Washington!!!!
I think PJ Washington is actually a pretty damn good name to watch, given that there was mutual interest over the summer.
(01-01-2024, 08:17 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]You'd all hate me for this LOL.
But I think it's Kuz.
Can play both forward spots, can replace THJ's scoring. Can handle the ball. Can rebound adequately. 6'9" can match up with big wings and not be bullied.
He isn't my top choice, but if the Mavs truly are not into misdirection and has a top target other than Siakam and Lauri (who's going to cost too much), Kuz might be it.
Deal could be like this:
THJ+Hardy+Holmes+FRP for Kuz and Muscala
* Second suspect is PJ Washington.
Kuz=Demarcus Cousins? If so...bring him in, check him out. If he can still play--sign him at the minumum. We've got some deadwood we can cut from the team. He can't be any worse than--deadwood.