01-24-2023, 11:49 PM
Clippers jump ahead for 5th, Phoenix is tied with Dallas for 6th. Utah, GS, Minny and OKC just a game behind. Lakers 2 back. It's starting to get crowded.
(01-24-2023, 11:15 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]This team is bad an all but this game was won until Luka missed a free throw, put Kuzma on the line and then turned the ball over. This one is on him. Maybe he'll consider working on his free throw shooting in the offseason.
(01-24-2023, 11:44 PM)The Jom Wrote: [ -> ]How did the Wiz get 41 free throw attempts on our court? Are these refs with a history of screwing with the Mavs? Or did we play an uber-aggressive brand of D? That’s a crazy number of FTAs.
(01-25-2023, 01:02 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]No one could stay in front of his man and everyone was half a step late in close-outs/rotations.
(01-25-2023, 08:07 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Bullock seems to have trouble staying in front of people this year too.
(01-25-2023, 08:25 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest dissapointment for me in this game where the so called (3 and) D guys, especially DFS and Bullock. Its not like Washington was attacking a certain bad defender all night, but basically every Washington player could drive to the basket against basically any Mavs defender.Add to this, there was never any type of challenge at the rim.
(01-25-2023, 08:25 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest dissapointment for me in this game were the so called (3 and) D guys, especially DFS and Bullock. Its not like Washington was attacking a certain bad defender all night, but basically every Washington player could drive to the basket against basically any Mavs defender.
(01-24-2023, 11:53 PM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]This is the type of comment that when Luka inevitably leaves in a few years, you look back on and realise what you actually expect from a player game in game out is utterly out of line with reality. Prime taking someone for granted comment.
Cavs fans were prob like this during Lebron's first stint, they have a generational talent and if he slips up he's criticized for basically not being a basketball god playing perfect ball 48 mins every night. Other players get to hide a bit in the shuffle because they don't have the talent anyway and Luka draws all the attention and spotlight.
I get that no one is above criticism. Luka has to work on his free throws as an absolute priority going into next off season. But it's not unbiased to say blaming Luka for the loss is simply out of touch with actually analysing the team performance.
It will become pretty clear when Luka is not here anymore and a player on our team putting up a performance half as good as his worst game becomes praise worthy.
(01-25-2023, 09:00 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]S. Dinwiddie - L. Doncic - J. Green +48 in 11 min
R. Bullock - D. Finney-Smith - L. Doncic -89.5 in 8 min
Bullock is certainly way more washed, DFS numbers looking somewhat ok, if paired with Green. THJ looks like a way better defender than Bullock. Bullock looks like a guy that closer to sink the defense than helping the team defense
I take THJ, Powell and Wood over Bullock on defense.
Green net rating with Bullock and without, and Green with DFS and without is pretty telling so far:
Green with DFS +9
Green without DFS +6
Green with Bullock +3.4
Green without Bullock +10.5
Luka + SD + Green only starting playing minutes together. They barely have before. Too early to look at those numbers.
- Luka + SD + Green played 60 min total with -3 net, but the defense is very good. The offensive numbers looking bad. Mainly because of Bullock
- Luka + SD + Green without Bullock is +9. With Bullock its -27, and the defense is a disaster, and the offense too
- Luka + SD + Green + THJ is +17 with good defense
- THJ looks like a way better defender than Bullock. Which is hilarious i guess
People wanna trade Tim, but it feels like he is the easiest plug into lineup guy from all the offensive players on the team. Doing the least harm on defense. At least judging by the first half of this year. The must trade guy is Bullock at all costs. Just addition by subtraction. Even if the team might not get better. Play Hardy/Frank instead of him, can't be any worse. Would nearly argue the Mavs might win more games atm if Frank would play instead of Bullock.
Bullock > SD > Tim would be my order that the Mavs should trade.
(01-25-2023, 09:53 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Luka is not above criticism but there is no question he is a generational talent.
(01-25-2023, 10:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I think the frustrating thing is most of Luka’s issues are self inflicted. The whining and causing a 5-on-4 scoring opportunity for the other team is a decision. The choosing to take a night off (while playing) against bad teams is a decision. The giving away points on techs is a decision. Just about every game he jacks up a bad 3 because he’s tired. That is a decision. There are four other NBA players on the floor who are all capable of taking a horrible shot. And who knows, maybe every once in a while they will take a good shot.
He’s highly capable of excellent D and chooses to turn it on and off. Giving up the sideline on that last foul where Green came to double would have gotten anyone else absolutely roasted on this board. It was a bad foul and to then call for a review just destroys credibility when he has legitimate complaints.
The issue isn’t whether Luka is great or not. It is the things he does to tarnish his greatness. Most are easily corrected. I think it is a lost opportunity for roster growth for Luka to not get others more involved. I get that a Luka shot is super-efficient. 29 shots…really. How do we expect others to get any rhythm. The doubles are going to keep coming to close out games and someone else has to be ready to hit a game winner. There has to be some investment in plays that allow others to contribute earlier in the game so they are ready when needed. This too is a decision. I don’t buy the argument that Luka isn’t a selfish player. Not when he takes the technical FT’s when there are often multiple better FT shooters on the floor when he does it. Not when he makes sure the scoring table knows when he tips a ball so they know it is his steal or his block. Or, when he shoots an air ball that ends up as an assist and his highest priority in that moment is making sure he gets the assist. Luka is very much about his stats.
I’m pleased that Luka often takes the blame for bad outings. To blame others would be a bad look and he’s smarter than that. But, I’m less bothered by a missed FT or failing to get either of those last two passes to SD than I am the dozen correctable things he does wrong throughout the game. To me it is all these terrible habits he has that lead to us needing to win last second games against bad teams (who are often missing their stars). Yeah, the roster is trash…I get that. But Luka’s On-Court isn’t MVP level. It is 3-point-something just like it has been for three straight years (including last season when we were much more successful as a team). He could turn his own personal impact on winning to 6-8 points at the drop of a hat if he dedicated himself to doing it. He’s that great. Kidd’s biggest failure isn’t how he treated Wood or stuck with McGee to long or doesn’t play Josh enough. It is that he fails to hold Luka accountable. Luka is so talented that he literally gets bored playing NBA games. Someone needs to show him that the path to greatness for him is through consistency. He has every other element to his game that he needs besides that.
(01-25-2023, 10:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Not directed at you hakeemfaan, but rant coming…
I think the frustrating thing is most of Luka’s issues are self inflicted. The whining and causing a 5-on-4 scoring opportunity for the other team is a decision. The choosing to take a night off (while playing) against bad teams is a decision. The giving away points on techs is a decision. Just about every game he jacks up a bad 3 because he’s tired. That is a decision. There are four other NBA players on the floor who are all capable of taking a horrible shot. And who knows, maybe every once in a while they will take a good shot.
He’s highly capable of excellent D and chooses to turn it on and off. Giving up the sideline on that last foul where Green came to double would have gotten anyone else absolutely roasted on this board. It was a bad foul and to then call for a review just destroys credibility when he has legitimate complaints.
The issue isn’t whether Luka is great or not. It is the things he does to tarnish his greatness. Most are easily corrected. I think it is a lost opportunity for roster growth for Luka to not get others more involved. I get that a Luka shot is super-efficient. 29 shots…really. How do we expect others to get any rhythm. The doubles are going to keep coming to close out games and someone else has to be ready to hit a game winner. There has to be some investment in plays that allow others to contribute earlier in the game so they are ready when needed. This too is a decision. I don’t buy the argument that Luka isn’t a selfish player. Not when he takes the technical FT’s when there are often multiple better FT shooters on the floor when he does it. Not when he makes sure the scoring table knows when he tips a ball so they know it is his steal or his block. Or, when he shoots an air ball that ends up as an assist and his highest priority in that moment is making sure he gets the assist. Luka is very much about his stats.
I’m pleased that Luka often takes the blame for bad outings. To blame others would be a bad look and he’s smarter than that. But, I’m less bothered by a missed FT or failing to get either of those last two passes to SD than I am the dozen correctable things he does wrong throughout the game. To me it is all these terrible habits he has that lead to us needing to win last second games against bad teams (who are often missing their stars). Yeah, the roster is trash…I get that. But Luka’s On-Court isn’t MVP level. It is 3-point-something just like it has been for three straight years (including last season when we were much more successful as a team). He could turn his own personal impact on winning to 6-8 points at the drop of a hat if he dedicated himself to doing it. He’s that great. Kidd’s biggest failure isn’t how he treated Wood or stuck with McGee to long or doesn’t play Josh enough. It is that he fails to hold Luka accountable. Luka is so talented that he literally gets bored playing NBA games. Someone needs to show him that the path to greatness for him is through consistency. He has every other element to his game that he needs besides that.
(01-25-2023, 10:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Not directed at you hakeemfaan, but rant coming…
I think the frustrating thing is most of Luka’s issues are self inflicted. The whining and causing a 5-on-4 scoring opportunity for the other team is a decision. The choosing to take a night off (while playing) against bad teams is a decision. The giving away points on techs is a decision. Just about every game he jacks up a bad 3 because he’s tired. That is a decision. There are four other NBA players on the floor who are all capable of taking a horrible shot. And who knows, maybe every once in a while they will take a good shot.
He’s highly capable of excellent D and chooses to turn it on and off. Giving up the sideline on that last foul where Green came to double would have gotten anyone else absolutely roasted on this board. It was a bad foul and to then call for a review just destroys credibility when he has legitimate complaints.
The issue isn’t whether Luka is great or not. It is the things he does to tarnish his greatness. Most are easily corrected. I think it is a lost opportunity for roster growth for Luka to not get others more involved. I get that a Luka shot is super-efficient. 29 shots…really. How do we expect others to get any rhythm. The doubles are going to keep coming to close out games and someone else has to be ready to hit a game winner. There has to be some investment in plays that allow others to contribute earlier in the game so they are ready when needed. This too is a decision. I don’t buy the argument that Luka isn’t a selfish player. Not when he takes the technical FT’s when there are often multiple better FT shooters on the floor when he does it. Not when he makes sure the scoring table knows when he tips a ball so they know it is his steal or his block. Or, when he shoots an air ball that ends up as an assist and his highest priority in that moment is making sure he gets the assist. Luka is very much about his stats.
I’m pleased that Luka often takes the blame for bad outings. To blame others would be a bad look and he’s smarter than that. But, I’m less bothered by a missed FT or failing to get either of those last two passes to SD than I am the dozen correctable things he does wrong throughout the game. To me it is all these terrible habits he has that lead to us needing to win last second games against bad teams (who are often missing their stars). Yeah, the roster is trash…I get that. But Luka’s On-Court isn’t MVP level. It is 3-point-something just like it has been for three straight years (including last season when we were much more successful as a team). He could turn his own personal impact on winning to 6-8 points at the drop of a hat if he dedicated himself to doing it. He’s that great. Kidd’s biggest failure isn’t how he treated Wood or stuck with McGee to long or doesn’t play Josh enough. It is that he fails to hold Luka accountable. Luka is so talented that he literally gets bored playing NBA games. Someone needs to show him that the path to greatness for him is through consistency. He has every other element to his game that he needs besides that.
(01-25-2023, 01:37 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Cuban said this was the reason he was hiring an HOF PG coach - to teach Luka how to better his game???
Quote:“He’s got to play defense,” Kidd said Friday. “There’s no secret — they’re going to put him in every pick-and-roll. They did the same thing with [Mavericks legend] Dirk [Nowitzki] until Dirk participated and stuck up for himself.
“You can always ask for help, but you’ve got to participate. Luka has done that for us in this journey, and so he’s going to have to do it (Friday night). He’s going have to defend. If the score, they score, but we don’t want it to be on their terms. And the other thing is his teammates have to do a better job helping.”
(01-25-2023, 10:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Not directed at you hakeemfaan, but rant coming…
I think the frustrating thing is most of Luka’s issues are self inflicted. The whining and causing a 5-on-4 scoring opportunity for the other team is a decision. The choosing to take a night off (while playing) against bad teams is a decision. The giving away points on techs is a decision. Just about every game he jacks up a bad 3 because he’s tired. That is a decision. There are four other NBA players on the floor who are all capable of taking a horrible shot. And who knows, maybe every once in a while they will take a good shot.
He’s highly capable of excellent D and chooses to turn it on and off. Giving up the sideline on that last foul where Green came to double would have gotten anyone else absolutely roasted on this board. It was a bad foul and to then call for a review just destroys credibility when he has legitimate complaints.
The issue isn’t whether Luka is great or not. It is the things he does to tarnish his greatness. Most are easily corrected. I think it is a lost opportunity for roster growth for Luka to not get others more involved. I get that a Luka shot is super-efficient. 29 shots…really. How do we expect others to get any rhythm. The doubles are going to keep coming to close out games and someone else has to be ready to hit a game winner. There has to be some investment in plays that allow others to contribute earlier in the game so they are ready when needed. This too is a decision. I don’t buy the argument that Luka isn’t a selfish player. Not when he takes the technical FT’s when there are often multiple better FT shooters on the floor when he does it. Not when he makes sure the scoring table knows when he tips a ball so they know it is his steal or his block. Or, when he shoots an air ball that ends up as an assist and his highest priority in that moment is making sure he gets the assist. Luka is very much about his stats.
I’m pleased that Luka often takes the blame for bad outings. To blame others would be a bad look and he’s smarter than that. But, I’m less bothered by a missed FT or failing to get either of those last two passes to SD than I am the dozen correctable things he does wrong throughout the game. To me it is all these terrible habits he has that lead to us needing to win last second games against bad teams (who are often missing their stars). Yeah, the roster is trash…I get that. But Luka’s On-Court isn’t MVP level. It is 3-point-something just like it has been for three straight years (including last season when we were much more successful as a team). He could turn his own personal impact on winning to 6-8 points at the drop of a hat if he dedicated himself to doing it. He’s that great. Kidd’s biggest failure isn’t how he treated Wood or stuck with McGee to long or doesn’t play Josh enough. It is that he fails to hold Luka accountable. Luka is so talented that he literally gets bored playing NBA games. Someone needs to show him that the path to greatness for him is through consistency. He has every other element to his game that he needs besides that.