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Mark and Brian update us on the team. A few takeaways are bolded below.
 

Luka’s injury. No practice today, so may or may not be a meaningful update before tomorrow. Internet doctors saying the injury didn’t look minor, but we have no official indication one way or another. Regular injury report will be issued this afternoon. If he is listed as questionable, then we probably won’t know anything definitive before tomorrow. 

MF notes that the refs are not calling fouls like they used to, and that has led to frustration and retaliation fouls by players who think they should have gotten calls. That has resulted in scuffles with and physical aggression against opponents, possibly resulting in more injuries. Which leads us to consider —

Luka’s conditioning. Fans are probably more concerned about this than Luka/the team are. The goal is to have Luka at a weight that allows him to maximize his advantage as a big, strong player at his position, and to be able to absorb as much of this type of bodily punishment as possible. He doesn’t rely on a finesse game — he has a very physical approach. They don’t want him to aim for a Trae Young type body. He may drop a few pounds over the course of the season, but don’t expect any kind of radical weight loss. 

Denver game. Mavs caught Denver in a weak spot, with players out and on the second game of a B2B, and that factors into the assessment of the win, but it revealed some good things. The Mavs are one of the league leaders in coming back from double-digit deficits to win games, and this was an example. The key run was at the end of third quarter and the beginning of the fourth. 

Mavs were able to throw a diversity of styles at the Nugz, particularly in the variety of big guys who played. This team is not limited to Plan A or bust. Two-man game between Luka and KP is really coming along. It’s a good sign that we can talk about their on-court performance together, rather than scrutinizing sideline behavior and speculating on whether they are BFFs or sworn enemies.

Porzingis. The extensive work on reshaping the LD-KP tandem is finally starting to  bear fruit. KP has been excellent offensively in the last few games. Part of that is that he is getting better looks. 

Two keys to KP’s improvement. First, If he is in scoring position inside, it is best if he moves quickly and decisively, rather than trying to back his defender down. Second, it is best for KP to let the game come to him, either drawing off defenders, or taking advantage when Luka is being aggressively defended, rather than forcing the issue. (These are the podcasters’ takes, rather than reports from Kidd.)

The real question now is whether this level of performance by KP is sustainable. Playing a diversified style, rather than just being a pick-and-pop guy, should help keep him effective. He isn’t likely to keep hitting five threes per game, but if he could be a 25-10 guy, that would be huge. 

Don’t look for Kidd to play KP at the 5 full time — Kidd affirmatively thinks that is not a good idea, for both load management and game management purposes. He realizes that his decision doesn’t match up perfectly with the analytics, but he is of the opinion that it’s not smart to rely solely on analytics in determining lineups and roles — the stats don’t take into account the human and psychological aspects of different game plans on the players. Sometimes, he believes, it’s better to sacrifice a little efficiency for the physical and emotional health of the players. 

Coaching strategy. The offense is beginning to diverge more from the Rick Carlisle era. For example, Carlisle really didn’t want people taking long twos, unless it was absolutely necessary. Kidd, however, thinks the team is less predictable if they include a mid-range component to their identity. Having said all this, they are still a long way away from deciding on how they want the Mavs to play as a rest-of-the-season matter. We shouldn’t assume that what they are doing in any particular game or stretch of games is written in stone, or will even survive the final assessment. 

Maxi. Nowhere close to returning. Doesn’t even have a timetable yet. 

Kidd. The word is that the atmosphere is much more relaxed without the tension that Carlisle generated. The various stakeholders in decisions appear to be mostly on the same page. 

DFS. Dorian has stepped up his game in the last few matches, including his shooting stats. They’re still not impressive, but at least close to respectable (31% from three). There is no reason to expect that he will return to the doldrums. Doe-Doe has been working very hard on his shot, and on simulating game conditions in practice. 

It can be tougher for a guy like Dorian to get through a bad shooting stretch than for the major scorers. We don’t worry too much about Luka or KP or Timmy having a bad night, or even a bad few games — we assume they’ll keep shooting and sort it out in a reasonably short period of time. It’s tougher for Dorian to break out of a slump, because he doesn’t get that many shot attempts, and he isn’t meant to. Dorian’s role is to generate energy, execute hustle plays, play hard-nose defense, and be a glue guy — he’s not intended to play a THJ-style high-volume shooting game, and we can’t expect it. So, patience may be warranted as DFS continues to work his way through his offensive issues. 

Brunson. Performing so consistently that we are in danger of taking him for granted. Doing REALLY well. 

Upcoming. We should learn a lot about this team in the next six games, which contain a slate of formidable opponents. (That’s assuming that Luka will not miss significant time. If he does, then progress will be harder to assess.) Looking toward Phoenix, the reigning WC champs have DeAndre Ayton back, and are on a long winning streak. The Sarver investigation has galvanized the team a little and instituted a bunker mentality. They’ll be a tough customer and a good measuring stick.  
FWIW, I heard Tim Legler talking today about how Kidd is missed in LA due to his offensive knowledge. Said Kidd and Frank would have these in depth discussions about style and strategy, but that Vogel is more of a defensive guy so losing Kidd put a hole in their leadership.

Interesting thought. Maybe starting to see a few glimmers of what could be?
(11-16-2021, 03:20 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, I heard Tim Legler talking today about how Kidd is missed in LA due to his offensive knowledge. Said Kidd and Frank would have these in depth discussions about style and strategy, but that Vogel is more of a defensive guy so losing Kidd put a hole in their leadership.

Interesting thought. Maybe starting to see a few glimmers of what could be?

That is interesting. 

I think the real problem in LA is the idea that anything helpful was outgoing (Kidd being part of that) with Russel Westbrook incoming. 

That's a 1-2 punch I don't think any team can gracefully absorb.
RC as coach - KP you need to fit your game into my system

Kidd as coach - KP, let's see how we can fit a system around you and Luka.
(11-16-2021, 03:25 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]RC as coach - KP you need to fit your game into my system

Kidd as coach - KP, let's see how we can fit a system around you and Luka.

Sorta. I'd really love to know why Rick never tried the Luka/KP pnr as a staple. That would have fit his system. Seems like something besides system may have been going on as well. It may be the Rick and Jason have both tried to find ways to keep KP healthy, but Kidd's method seems to combine load management with integrating him more into the offense.
(11-16-2021, 03:20 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, I heard Tim Legler talking today about how Kidd is missed in LA due to his offensive knowledge. Said Kidd and Frank would have these in depth discussions about style and strategy, but that Vogel is more of a defensive guy so losing Kidd put a hole in their leadership.

Interesting thought. Maybe starting to see a few glimmers of what could be?

Very interesting. I'm still not exactly sure who is the primary designer of this offense. We keep hearing that Igor has taken on the "offensive coordinator" role. However, since Kidd is the HC, he probably inherently takes on the credit/blame for the scheme. 

I think Kidd liked a lot of the system he saw/helped design in LA, and we are importing a number of concepts from the West Coast, for better or worse. (For better, in last night's game!) Personally, I am intrigued by some of the changes.
(11-16-2021, 03:38 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I am intrigued by some of the changes.


Yeah, for sure. I don't believe for a split second that Carlisle didn't want to develop a two-man game between Luka/KP. I think there must be at least a partial explanation we don't know, having to do with willingness from either Luka, KP or both. There has to be. 

Having said that, it is undeniable that we're seeing more progress in this area than we did the past couple of seasons, even giving concessions for the time KP missed or was utterly ineffective. 

To this point, credit is owed to Kidd, Korkoskov or both for thinking of this, working harder to develop it, convincing the players it's the right choice...whatever. 

More of that approach, please.
Seems like they are looking at their centers as regular season inning eaters.   It makes you wonder how much we should invest in that position if when the games matter or they are in winning time, KP is going to be mainly at the 5.    Luckily those inning eating type of players are typically always available in FA.  Dwight Howard and Andre Drummond both got less than 5 million.    But maybe the 10 millionish for Theis, Favors, Ibaka may be too rich for that type of role.
(11-16-2021, 03:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]To this point, credit is owed to Kidd, Korkoskov or both for thinking of this, working harder to develop it, convincing the players it's the right choice...whatever. 
I mean, isn't that the whole point? 

If RC didn't think of it - bad. 
If RC didn't work harder to develop it - bad. 
If RC didn't convince the players it's the right choice - bad.

No matter how you slice it, something was off between Luka, KP and RC that doesn't seem to be there with Luka, KP and Kidd. Sure the offense was one of the top offenses in the league, good for him, also good to get into the playoffs. Not good to do well in the playoffs. 

Loved what RC did for Dirk. Glad he's no longer here.
(11-16-2021, 04:01 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, isn't that the whole point? 

If RC didn't think of it - bad. 
If RC didn't work harder to develop it - bad. 
If RC didn't convince the players it's the right choice - bad.


I don't know...this is what I do for a living, so I guess I just have a greater sensitivity for things not working out, even when everything is done right, with the best of intentions. 

There are a ton of things that might be different from last year to this one that we can't see. Hell, just the fact that both players in question are a year older could've made a SUBSTANTIAL difference.

Like I said, I'm giving credit to Kidd/Korkoskov for the progress we've seen - hopefully it can reach the level of Carlisle's offenses soon, but with the added benefit of this diversification (what we all wanted). On the other hand, we might hate everything they're doing two weeks from now. As far as what I've seen for the past 4-5 games, I'm liking most of it.
(11-16-2021, 03:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, for sure. I don't believe for a split second that Carlisle didn't want to develop a two-man game between Luka/KP. I think there must be at least a partial explanation we don't know, having to do with willingness from either Luka, KP or both. There has to be.
Dameris, I think, was talking about the long road to buy-in for KP. Said that when KP was traded here, he fully believed that he was going to be the clear #1 option (did not say whether someone told him that, or if that was his own idea). 


He was very resistant to altering that stance, and resisted coaching strategies that painted him as a #2. It took him a LONG time to buy in, but now, it appears that he is at least accepting the idea that he and Luka may be co-first options. 

My own gloss on that is that possibly, to the extent he and Carlisle didn't get along, he might have dug in on resisting whatever Carlisle proposed, whether consciously or subconsciously. Now, KP apparently thinks Kidd's system is featuring him, and that Kidd is allowing him to play more in the way he wants. The reluctance to perfect the two-man game could also have been a result of KP's periods of immobility, when rolling and running just seemed beyond him. Maybe being healthy (by his standards) and being allowed to eat up some inefficient possessions posting up were some of the keys to securing his cooperation. I'm just speculating here, it could be anything.
(11-16-2021, 04:10 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe being healthy (by his standards) and being allowed to eat up some inefficient possessions posting up were some of the keys to securing his cooperation. I'm just speculating here, it could be anything.


At the very least, it provides the coaching staff with video evidence that KP's way was not efficient and was hurting the team. Evidence based discussions to cooperatively find everyone's happy place.

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(11-16-2021, 04:01 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, isn't that the whole point? 

If RC didn't think of it - bad. 
If RC didn't work harder to develop it - bad. 
If RC didn't convince the players it's the right choice - bad.

No matter how you slice it, something was off between Luka, KP and RC that doesn't seem to be there with Luka, KP and Kidd. Sure the offense was one of the top offenses in the league, good for him, also good to get into the playoffs. Not good to do well in the playoffs. 

Loved what RC did for Dirk. Glad he's no longer here.
I don't necessarily think that the problems leading to the collapse of the front office, resulting in Rick's departure, meant that Rick was doing a bad coaching job. The entire organization seems to have been a swamp of dysfunctionality. And aside from that, often a relationship just runs its course, and it's time to put it aside, even if no one did anything wrong and the situation worked well in its time.

Just as it is unlikely that problems at the Mavs were all on Rick, I seriously question whether hiring a new coach, even if he does well, is going to solve the Mavericks' various interpersonal issues. 

Kidd is in a honeymoon period now, and we'll learn more about how deep the affection for him is when the team has gone on an 8-game losing streak, or something similarly difficult. KP has a history of turning on coaches, and I don't know if we have any particular reason to believe that he has done a 180 on that. 

Having said all that, I do tend to think, after all we have learned, that it was time for Rick to move on, and he evidently reached that conclusion on his own. It's time to turn the page on that chapter. I am interested in the changes Kidd and his staff are instituting, and hope for the best, but am not yet ready to predict that his tenure here will be a flaming success, a descent into the abyss, or something in between. (Not saying you said anything different.)
(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]The goal is to have Luka at a weight that allows him to maximize his advantage as a big, strong player at his position, and to be able to absorb as much of this type of bodily punishment as possible. He doesn’t rely on a finesse game — he has a very physical approach. They don’t want him to aim for a Trae Young type body. He may drop a few pounds over the course of the season, but don’t expect any kind of radical weight loss. 


Thanks for recap. I think a couple of apologies are owed to Luka around here
(11-16-2021, 03:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]That is interesting. 

I think the real problem in LA is the idea that anything helpful was outgoing (Kidd being part of that) with Russel Westbrook incoming. 

That's a 1-2 punch I don't think any team can gracefully absorb.

I dunno about your Westbrook take, I mean the Wizards are barely clinging to the #1 seed ever since he left the team....  Tongue
(11-16-2021, 04:22 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]At the very least, it provides the coaching staff with video evidence that KP's way was not efficient and was hurting the team. Evidence based discussions to cooperatively find everyone's happy place.

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LOL
(11-16-2021, 04:29 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]I don't necessarily think that the problems leading to the collapse of the front office, resulting in Rick's departure, meant that Rick was doing a bad coaching job. The entire organization seems to have been a swamp of dysfunctionality. And aside from that, often a relationship just runs its course, and it's time to put it aside, even if no one did anything wrong and the situation worked well in its time.

Just as it is unlikely that problems at the Mavs were all on Rick, I seriously question whether hiring a new coach, even if he does well, is going to solve the Mavericks' various interpersonal issues. 

Kidd is in a honeymoon period now, and we'll learn more about how deep the affection for him is when the team has gone on an 8-game losing streak, or something similarly difficult. KP has a history of turning on coaches, and I don't know if we have any particular reason to believe that he has done a 180 on that. 

Having said all that, I do tend to think, after all we have learned, that it was time for Rick to move on, and he evidently reached that conclusion on his own. It's time to turn the page on that chapter. I am interested in the changes Kidd and his staff are instituting, and hope for the best, but am not yet ready to predict that his tenure here will be a flaming success, a descent into the abyss, or something in between. (Not saying you said anything different.)
I’ll never say RC is a bad coach. He’s too good to even approach that. He’s very stubborn though which is why I think he was trying to fit KP into his system as opposed to figuring out a system that works with KP in it. Also, the team overall talent level he has wirked with put him at a huge disadvantage. Same disadvantage as Kidd though and he has these guys playing defense quite a bit better than with RC.
(11-16-2021, 04:49 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for recap. I think a couple of apologies are owed to Luka around here

I thought that was very interesting reporting -- that the Mavs like his weight where it is, and why.

They speculate that fans thinking he should lose weight and sculpt his body to be lean and lithe may just want to see him play in a manner that might be expected from a thinner guy -- emphasizing speed, agility, and all like that. Per the report, the Mavs don't consider those qualities Luka's forte. 
 
He plays like a freight train -- big enough and strong enough to overcome his defenders. The thinking is that if he loses much weight, whatever small gains he might earn in "thin player" advantages would be more than offset by the losses in his abilities to be a guy who is heavier, stronger, and more physically powerful than many, if not most, of the guys he faces. 

We might or might not agree with their view, but at least now we understand it.
(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]don’t expect any kind of radical weight loss.


I have no desire for net weight loss. I want fat gone, muscle added. I want Luka bigger than the average player, but with GOOD weight.


(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Two-man game between Luka and KP is really coming along.


This is HUGE. 


(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]is of the opinion that it’s not smart to rely solely on analytics in determining lineups and roles — the stats don’t take into account the human and psychological aspects of different game plans on the players. Sometimes, he believes, it’s better to sacrifice a little efficiency for the physical and emotional health of the players.


Could not agree more with this. Liking what I hear from Kidd, good stuff.


(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi. Nowhere close to returning.


Suck.


(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]The word is that the atmosphere is much more relaxed without the tension that Carlisle generated. The various stakeholders in decisions appear to be mostly on the same page. 


Both of these things are HUGE positive things to hear.


(11-16-2021, 02:26 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Brunson. Performing so consistently that we are in danger of taking him for granted. Doing REALLY well. 


JB is THE Mavs story of the season IMO. Without him I truly think this team would be under 0.500, no exaggeration. If Luka sits for a number of games, I really look forward to how JB holds the fort down.
(11-16-2021, 03:55 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like they are looking at their centers as regular season inning eaters.   It makes you wonder how much we should invest in that position if when the games matter or they are in winning time, KP is going to be mainly at the 5.    Luckily those inning eating type of players are typically always available in FA.  Dwight Howard and Andre Drummond both got less than 5 million.    But maybe the 10 millionish for Theis, Favors, Ibaka may be too rich for that type of role.

I really like your analogy there. DP, WCS, Boban are just innings eaters. In the playoffs you are forced to play with 1 big in the most crucial times. It has to be KP. So, 2 wings(DFS/THJ/Bullock) and 2 guards(Luka/Brunson/Frank). 

My favorite:
Luka
Brunson
Bullock
DFS
KP

At this point i think Brunson is better than Hardaway offensively and defensively. Not a knock on Hardaway just Brunson is having a phenomenal year
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