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Mark and Brian share their thoughts on where the Mavs stand after 8 games. 

LAST FIVE GAMES. Don't expect the past week to be particularly representative — 5 games in 7 nights, including a night at altitude and a day game, is just a brutally tiring stretch, even if they had all been healthy. 

BRUNSON. Breakout story of the week.

Spurs game. JB was great, but let’s not forget that part of the reason for that is that Pop left McDermott out there for a long time, and the Mavs were aggressively running the game through his assignment (usually Jalen). Luka was deferring because he realized that Jalen had a more favorable matchup, and kudos to him for doing so. 

Kidd volunteered after the game that he probably messed with Jalen’s head, asking him to miss that second free throw. Brunson either didn’t know that the ball had to hit the rim, or shot very wide of the mark. The podders like the call, even though there was some risk with 2.7 seconds left. Although it failed in execution, the review of the second miss gave the Mavs time to get Bobi in, and all’s well that ends well. 

Does Brunson eliminate the need for Dragic, or another playmaker? No. The team has minutes for a secondary playmaker with Luka, and a guy who can run the second unit. They need more than two playmakers, partly so that Luka can play more off the ball, which he spent part of his early career doing with Dragic. He had four assisted shots in the Spurs game, compared to two assisted shots all of last season. 

The average NBA team has 4 or 5 guys who can make plays. If the Mavs do get Dragic, they will have to take into consideration that he is also a defensive liability and will probably need to make further adjustments. 

Should Brunson be elevated to the starting unit when everyone is healthy? Maybe. But it’s by no means an automatic decision. If you start JB, you take a pretty big hit defensively. So you probably have to make an additional adjustment to get a better defender in. You have to live with some concerns about his defense and small size, which is not what Kidd has been aiming for. 

Coach still wants to give his original lineup more time to work, and he likes to start with two bigs in hopes of reducing KP’s workload. And, even acknowledging how great Brunson has looked lately, the jury is still out on him where the playoffs are concerned. Although he had a good regular season, he was played off the floor in the post-season, primarily due to his lack of size and defensive issues. 

Can someone besides Luka or Brunson run the second unit? Doesn’t appear that way. Frank is not ready, because he has no consistent three-point shot. He has been asked to drive more, and his two-point scoring has greatly improved. But his long shot seems to have hit the skids. Burke can’t be relied on to show up for his COVID tests. 

PORZINGIS. His status is one giant “we’ll see.” He traveled to San Antonio and practiced with the team, but was unable to go. TBD whether he plays in Saturday’s game. 

BULLOCK. No update on Reggie's injury. Some facial injuries allow the injured guy to play with a face mask, others require some time off.

BOBAN. Had a huge impact in the Spurs game on both ends. Has one of the most unique and difficult roles in the NBA — going for long stretches without playing, and then expected to come in and be highly productive on short notice. Requires a lot of effort keeping the body in shape, and he is mature enough to do that. However, MF thinks one of the fouls he took in SA was really an excuse to catch his breath, as he looked pretty gassed.

DFS. Dorian is the team’s hardest worker, except maybe Powell. His three-point shot has gone AWOL this season, sitting at 20%. The team wants more from him offensively — driving, doing a little distributing, doing a little scoring closer to the basket, attacking the offensive glass, in addition to his usual cutting, dunking,  and long shots. 

Brian speculates that all these new responsibilities seem to have Dorian overthinking on the court and regressing on things he normally does well. It’s not surprising that there would be some rough patches involved with such a substantial change in role. At some point in the season, they may abandon some of these efforts if they haven’t panned out. 

Doe-Doe is the player left most wide open in the league, even surpassing #2 Russell Westbrook. The fact is that he can’t stay on the floor long-term if he is getting that disrespected and not making the opponent pay.

DEFENSE. Defense is coming along pretty well. Top ten against shots at the rim. Overall, middle of the pack. Bottom ten against threes. Bottom ten in PIP allowed. So opponents are not necessarily getting to the rim, but they’re still scoring in the paint. Sample size is still very small, and the big clunker Miami game has skewed the defensive statistics downward. 

OFFENSE

 Sets. Igor is gradually installing sets, rather than using the flow offense, but the basic structure of the offense is not significantly different from last season. The main structural differences are that they are trying to give DFS a bigger role, and that other teams are figuring out the importance of taking away Powell’s rolls to the basket. Most of their successful new sets have been run out of timeouts and after dead balls. 

Bottom of the league in early returnsThe offense is very much still a work in progress. They are last in the league in rim attacks and shot distance from the basket. Not getting to the hole at all, and shooting from a long way out. They are also bottom five in many other categories. 

Three-point shooting. Dismal, outside of Brunson and Kleber. Tim is only slightly down, but everyone else is terrible. Oddly, they are 4th in the league in open and wide open shots. But they’re 25th in completing those shots.  So when Kidd keeps saying that they’re getting good looks, but they’re not going down, he’s telling the truth. Some regression to the mean on open and wide open shotmaking would make a huge difference. They’re not taking bad shots, as a general matter, just missing good ones.  

Why is the offense so bad? Three-point shooting, free-throw attempts, and overall scoring are all substantially down across the league. Many teams around the league, including good teams, are having early-season struggles — it’s not just the Mavs. Part of that is that the game is being officiated differently. Only five guys in the league are averaging 7 or more FTAS per game. Mark thinks the new ball is more of a talking point than a real issue. 

In the Dallas case, the Mavs’ “new” offense ought not to present major adjustment problems, as it’s not that different from the old. For whatever reason, Luka is having more difficulty getting to the rim this season, and KP being out for most of the games is probably having an effect, along with the league getting better at knowing how to play against the Mavs. 

EIGHT GAMES IN, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHO THE MAVS REALLY ARE?

The short answer is, not much. On the plus side, they are winning the games they are expected to win. Last season, they laid a lot of eggs against bad teams, but now they appear to be taking care of business.

As far as the three losses, Miami is just a clearly better team. There was no excuse for Dallas being that terrible in Denver, but NBA records show that Denver on the second night of a b2b is virtually a guaranteed loss for any visiting team, and a blowout counts the same in the loss column as a nail biter. Atlanta was on opening night, when anything can happen. 

We’re still very much in the getting-to-know-you stage, but there are a number of favorable signs. Should be interesting watching them develop. 
The Mavericks history of playing worse on offense when defense is truly emphasized goes all the way back to the Dick Motta and Derek Harper days. It seems the Mavericks can’t do both except a few times in the playoffs. 

Our team and many others thru the years usually let off the defensive effort and sometimes get better on offense. We will see. We do have some more players who have yet to be determined skills on defense but as always we really need more two way players.
(11-04-2021, 05:33 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Doe-Doe is the player left most wide open in the league, even surpassing #2 Russell Westbrook. The fact is that he can’t stay on the floor long-term if he is getting that disrespected and not making the opponent pay.


This is an underrated story line. DFS was one of the Mavs best players the last two seasons and his developed three point shot was essential to that. In the first 8 games he has been playing at a level that is a big liability. The Mavs need him to turn it around desperately or Kidd needs to slide RB into his slot.
The 3pt shooting sucks. But it will revert to the mean.
Mavsluvr, your recaps of these podcast and the games are top notch and are always great reads! 

(Insert joke here about you recapping your own podcast)
Good stuff. I can see the defensive effort. Have to think the energy expended on that end is affecting the shooting percentages on the other end.
(11-04-2021, 05:33 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]For whatever reason, Luka is having more difficulty getting to the rim this season, and KP being out for most of the games is probably having an effect, along with the league getting better at knowing how to play against the Mavs. 
(11-04-2021, 05:33 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]They are last in the league in rim attacks and shot distance from the basket. Not getting to the hole at all, and shooting from a long way out. They are also bottom five in many other categories. 


Is this not related to the spacing issues? Before KP went out, he and DP were almost running into each other. 

Also, the increased movement Kidd is asking for has some of them not knowing where to be at a certain point, which leads to confusion and bad shots.
I'll bet Luka isn't getting to the rim as often for several reasons. (1) he's not handling the ball, running pick & roll as often (2) poor spacing, lane clogged with KP & Powell in the paint (3) teams aren't guarding DFS. I'm sure there are stats to support this. 

On the whole, this team is full of one-dimensional shooters and limited bigs, so you'd expect them to be near the bottom of the league in rim attacks.

Overall, anyone notice a theme ? .... 

THJ: Carlisle made him a good player by tightening the reins. Kidd is asking him to do more offensively and it's not looking good.

DFS: Carlisle made him a good player by tightening the reins. Kidd is asking him to do more offensively and it's not looking good.

KP: Carlisle made him a good player by tightening the reins. Kidd is asking him to do more offensively and it's not looking good (when he actually plays).

Powell: Carlisle made him a good player by tightening the reins. Kidd is asking him to play more and it's not looking good.

Luka: Carlisle allowed him to be an All NBA first-teamer by handing him the keys. Kidd is asking him to do less and it's not looking good.

So far, only Brunson is rising to the challenge. Kleber has been good. Bullock has been meh. WCS has been terrible.
(11-05-2021, 09:55 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]THJ: Carlisle made him a good player by tightening the reins. Kidd is asking him to do more offensively and it's not looking good.


I'd push back on this one. I think there are signs of THJ being able to do more. 

On the premise of your post, I think you're spot on. There has been either speculation or knowledge dropped that Kidd is tinkering to see what he has. That would seem to suggest that Kidd would start to fine tune things and define roles down the road at some point based on the returns of setting the guys free. I hope that's the case.

Regarding Luka doing less. I'm down for that, but I would hope that it would be done in a way where Luka gets more efficient, not less, that provides diversification to the offense for the sake of the playoffs, and brings Luka to the playoffs with more left in the tank.
(11-05-2021, 09:25 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Is this not related to the spacing issues? Before KP went out, he and DP were almost running into each other. 

Also, the increased movement Kidd is asking for has some of them not knowing where to be at a certain point, which leads to confusion and bad shots.

This is an interesting one. Brian suggested the bolded language as the intuitive conclusion. However, when Mark actually studied the data, he discovered that the team really is generating a ton of good looks, and opponents would be paying for overloading Luka if his teammates could only make their shots. I can get a visceral sense of this when I get increasingly frustrated with every missed unguarded shot.  

Having said that, there are still many instances when the spacing is off and the guys are clearly confused about where they are supposed to be, as you point out. The podders hope that this is just an early-season problem, as guys are learning the new sets and, in some cases, adjusting to different roles.
(11-05-2021, 10:15 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding Luka doing less. I'm down for that, but I would hope that it would be done in a way where Luka gets more efficient, not less, that provides diversification to the offense for the sake of the playoffs, and brings Luka to the playoffs with more left in the tank.
I agree with this, but my perception is that Luka has had control of the ball and the offense for years now, going back to his Euro days. I question whether he is comfortable or accepting of being the passee instead of the passer.


It also potentially shortens the window for his magic. Somebody like JB brings it up, gets passed around for a while, then it gets to Luka with limited time to do anything creative other than try and get a shot off. Probably with someone in his face.
(11-05-2021, 11:10 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with this, but my perception is that Luka has had control of the ball and the offense for years now, going back to his Euro days. I question whether he is comfortable or accepting of being the passee instead of the passer.


It also potentially shortens the window for his magic. Somebody like JB brings it up, gets passed around for a while, then it gets to Luka with limited time to do anything creative other than try and get a shot off. Probably with someone in his face.

Luka and Dragic shared the ball really well. And as awesome as Luka magic is, we can't live by Luka magic alone, and we need for Luka to have plenty of magic left in the 4th quarter, and especially in the 4th quarter of playoffs.
(11-04-2021, 05:33 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]They are last in the league in rim attacks and shot distance from the basket. Not getting to the hole at all, and shooting from a long way out. They are also bottom five in many other categories. 


This is my biggest concern on offense. They haven´t reduced the 3-point volume like some of us expected. They have replaced attempts in the paint with midrange shots. The offensive production from bigs not named Boban is beyond bad.

Sample size is still small but:

Powell 8.1 pts 24 minutes. Lowest per 36 scoring average of his career. Worst TS% since 2017.
WCS 1.8pts in 11 minutes. By far the lowest per 36 volume of his career. Obviously also the worst TS% (41.2% !!!). Somebody needs to tell him that he isn´t  a stretch five. He stopped rolling and has fallen in love with midrange jumpers.
KP only played three games. Only averaged 12ppg on abysmal percentages.
Moses played 15 minutes total.

That leaves Boban. Playing 7 minutes per game. Scoring 7.3 points on 70.7% TS. Problem is that Boban is a liability on defense. But the way the other bigs are playing they aren´t exactly making a case for DPOY either. And I know that @"KillerLeft" will hate to hear it. @"Dahlsim" will love it. Maybe Boban deserves a bigger role right now.
(11-05-2021, 11:10 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with this, but my perception is that Luka has had control of the ball and the offense for years now, going back to his Euro days. I question whether he is comfortable or accepting of being the passee instead of the passer.


It also potentially shortens the window for his magic. Somebody like JB brings it up, gets passed around for a while, then it gets to Luka with limited time to do anything creative other than try and get a shot off. Probably with someone in his face.

I understand this line of logic. But wonder to what degree it applies here. The Mavs' Plan A in the offseason was Kyle Lowry. They previously tried to sign Kemba Walker. Luka can't have thought, if those efforts had come to fruition, that he would be the only ball handler when he was on the court. He has successful experience playing mostly off the ball himself. This leads me to believe that Luka doesn't have a line-in-the-sand position to the effect that he has to have the ball at all times. 

As far as how that applies to his current situation, I keep being reminded of Kobe, in the days when Phil Jackson was trying to convince him to give the rock to the open man. He did a pretty funny send-up once, where he drew up a play where he was supposed to pass to Smush Parker, and said to the watchers, "Now, we all know that if I pass to Smush, he's just gonna screw this up, so I'm just gonna [make some move resulting in Kobe taking the shot himself]."

I seems to me that Luka is inclined to show frustration when he has to make or accept a move or play design that results in not making the best basketball decision in the moment. He has to pass to a guy who has a worse shot than he does, or a less talented facilitator brings up the ball and can't do anything with it, for example. He hates it when it happens, even though he probably knows that the long-term hopes are that his teammates become competent at their supporting roles, and that there will be no such gains without accompanying pains. 

It may be a while before we know for sure whether the more egalitarian offense turns out to be a grand success, an exercise in futility, or something in between.
(11-04-2021, 08:32 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Mavsluvr, your recaps of these podcast and the games are top notch and are always great reads! 

(Insert joke here about you recapping your own podcast)

Very kind of you, jmac. 

I know that you are joking, but I chose this podcast to summarize because it always contains some sourced content. In this particular case, Kidd's ideas of how he wants the various players' roles to change, his thoughts behind some of the lineup decisions we might find puzzling, and some of the intentions going forward. Not really because it is "my own podcast," although that is pretty funny, lol.
(11-05-2021, 11:46 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Not really because it is "my own podcast," although that is pretty funny, lol.


Do you tell your real friends and family that your internet friends and family think that you're famous?
(11-04-2021, 07:20 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This is an underrated story line. DFS was one of the Mavs best players the last two seasons and his developed three point shot was essential to that. In the first 8 games he has been playing at a level that is a big liability. The Mavs need him to turn it around desperately or Kidd needs to slide RB into his slot.
No doubt, DFS has to turn things around. 

I felt like the reporting from this pod made me at least understand the situation a little better. 

With Kidd urging a whole different offensive role on him, it's not as surprising that his performance in areas we thought he had mastered would deteriorate to a degree. (Sort of like the business school theory of what happens when you acquire a new business you don't know much about. When you divert more of your resources to trying to make the new business work, your old business takes a dip, at least in the short term.) And, if Kidd does have a big new role in mind, that makes me think that he's going to give it substantial time to work, rather than replacing him in the lineup in a game or two. 

Also, I was somewhat cheered that Brian and Mark regarded the last five games as happening under such a perfect storm that the podders don't even view them as a basis for predicting anything going forward. As the schedule gets more reasonable and guys get healthier, we might see more of a reversion to the mean in terms of performance. Maybe.
(11-05-2021, 12:00 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]With Kidd urging a whole different offensive role on him, it's not as surprising that his performance in areas we thought he had mastered would deteriorate to a degree.


Don't know the answer to this, but I wonder whether with DFS, Coach is just wanting to see what DFS can do before settling on his role, or if he sees evidence already that DFS can do more, and JKidd is willing to wait through the growing pains.
(11-05-2021, 11:34 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]I seems to me that Luka is inclined to show frustration when he has to make or accept a move or play design that results in not making the best basketball decision in the moment. He has to pass to a guy who has a worse shot than he does, or a less talented facilitator brings up the ball and can't do anything with it, for example. He hates it when it happens, even though he probably knows that the long-term hopes are that his teammates become competent at their supporting roles, and that there will be no such gains without accompanying pains. 
So there has to be a reason why (almost) everyone is shooting a crappy percentage. Maybe it's something in common (new ball?) or maybe it's something individually that just happen to occur at the same time. 


Until it/they get fixed then we, and Luka, are going to have frustration with the lack of results.

JB has been an early season bright spot, as most would agree. But even Luka has been off on productivity. However, my perception ( I don't have data to support) is that Luka is trying to be a team player in the first half of the game and increases in aggressiveness after the break. 

Having said that, I just looked at the scoring by quarter with the following averages:
1st - 23.8
2nd - 27.6
3rd - 25.1
4th - 24.6

So there is nothing apparent from scoring that the team functions better as the game goes on. Looking at deltas, however;
1st - -2.0
2nd - -1.6
3rd - -2.8
4th - +1.3

So, on the face of it, the 4th appears the only positive. However, if we take out the -15 and -21 3rd quarters from ATL and DEN which could be considered outliers, then both 2nd half results are positive (+1.8 and +1.3, respectively). 

Before you dump on my stats, I know this is short on data, which limits its validity, but it supports the eye test of slow starts and early game inefficiencies. Not enough to draw conclusions, but interesting to watch and see if there is a change in the trends.

Also, the delta values show each of the 3 losses had one bad quarter of >-10. I think this means that avoiding a big run by the opponent is key to staying competitive for the game. Sometimes there is nothing you can do and sometimes you have to Hack-a-Shaq. Hopefully, the defensive focus will improve the team effort and eliminate these situations.
(11-05-2021, 12:43 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Don't know the answer to this, but I wonder whether with DFS, Coach is just wanting to see what DFS can do before settling on his role, or if he sees evidence already that DFS can do more, and JKidd is willing to wait through the growing pains.

Good question. 

In terms of seeing what he has, Kidd does seem to be asking some players to stretch their comfort zones, likely thinking that they might have it in them. The podders think that even Kidd probably doesn't expect 100% of these experiments to work, but a few probably will, and they don't think he will insist on sticking to them if they're clearly not working after being given a reasonable chance. 

I guess one way to look at it would be that these guys are being given a chance, assuming they want one.
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