So far we have covered:
- JRich with 95 % thinking he is gone
- Brunson with basicaly 50-50 split
- Hinton with 60 % for staying on only 10 votes
- Green with 87 % staying
- THJ with 65 % thinking he is gone
- JJ Redick with 100 % saying he is gone
- Bey with 70 % saying he stays
- KP with surprisingly 80+ % thinking he stays
Next on the list is Powell. What do you think? Will Mavs trade him or keep him?
We will trade Cuban before DP.
I would really like to vote no on this one. I am sure Powell is a great guy. He does some good things in the regular season. But I think he is basically useless in playoffs and that was before his injury. Powell is way overpaid. One dimensional back up centre who can't shoot the ball should be paid closer to vet min than 10+ mil Powell is making. Philly is paying vet min for a back-up centre of injury prone Embiid after learning the lesson hard way with Horford. You can't afford to pay for insurance.
However, Powell is a negative contract and it is difficult to see a trade without sending assets Mavs don't really have, so I guess Powell will remain on the roster. Gordon is literally the only bad contract I see as the possibility where Mavs could move Powell with a minor asset attached to save Houston some money.
I think the best way to move Powell is to attach him to JB, but that lowers JB's trade value. I think it comes down to whether or not Nico needs his money for a FA this offseason.
(07-22-2021, 09:41 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I think the best way to move Powell is to attach him to JB, but that lowers JB's trade value. I think it comes down to whether or not Nico needs his money for a FA this offseason.
I think my credentials as a resident of Powell island are pretty strong. However, this is probably the first time I can see some possibility of him being traded. I don’t think they pay to remove him from payroll, but he is a useful backup C in the right system. That might be here, but I could see the new regime prioritizing a bigger body or better defender in their backup to KP. I probably wouldn’t have said that if Carlisle was still here.
Doesn’t really make sense to trade Powell at the moment (barring some highly unlikely no-brainer opportunity for a superstar acquisition).
Before he was signed to his current contract, he was on a gradual progression of improvement which could have made this current contract theoretically a high value asset … but the unfortunate injury set that timeline back quite a bit. His numbers started rising again though as the season went on and it looks like he’s getting back on track to become a positive asset again. Probably best to hold on to our Diamond for now until the shine is back.
Plus, having quality big man depth is never going to be a bad thing for any team building around habitual-DNP’r Kristaps Porzingis … and ultimately, might be a requirement.
Finally, it’s just a good idea in general to hold on to players who can consistently offer above-average production — especially when your team doesn’t have very many of them. Even tho this was a injury-recovering ‘down’ year for Powell of sorts, he was still only 1 of 4 players on the whole roster with a Player Efficiency Rating above average in both the regular and post season. And one of those 4 guys was Boban who is more of an extremely limited but potent tool which can only be utilized occasionally more so than be a long term consistent rotation guy.
So Dwight Powell and the other two consistently above-average producers, Jalen Brunson and Luka Doncic, are 3 of the type of pieces we need MORE of, not less of. Sometimes basketball can be simple. Get more good players. Get less bad players.
(07-22-2021, 09:56 AM)Mak Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn’t really make sense to trade Powell at the moment (barring some highly unlikely no-brainer opportunity for a superstar acquisition).
Before he was signed to his current contract, he was on a gradual progression of improvement which could have made this current contract theoretically a high value asset … but the unfortunate injury set that timeline back quite a bit. His numbers started rising again though as the season went on and it looks like he’s getting back on track to become a positive asset again. Probably best to hold on to our Diamond for now until the shine is back.
Plus, having quality big man depth is never going to be a bad thing for any team building around habitual-DNP’r Kristaps Porzingis … and ultimately, might be a requirement.
Mavs and BkN are the only teams in the league paying 10+ mil to a back up centre. But BkN starter is a vet min while Mavs starter is being paid 30 mil. These are the salaries of back-up centres:
Atl: Okongwu 6 mil on a rookie deal
Bos: Williams 2 mil on a rookie deal or Thompson 9 mil (and we all know they regret Thompson badly)
Bkn: DeAndre 10,3 mil (big mistake, but with their payroll at 160+ mil it makes less damage)
Chi: Theiss at 5 mil
Cha: Biyombo at vet min
Cle: Do they even hava a back up C? Love? Nance? Both more PF than C.
Den: JaVale at 4 mil
Det: Stewart rookie deal
GSW: Looney at 4,8 mil
Hou: do they even have a back-up centre?
Ind: Goga on rookie deal
LAC: Zubac or Ibaka, combined 16 mil on centre position, basically neither played in the playoffs
LAL: Harrell at 9 mil and they regret it. Gasol played back up at 2,5 mil
Mem: Tillman on rookie deal
Mia: Dedmon on vet min
Mil: no back up centre
Min: Reid on rookie deal
NO: Hayes on rookie deal
NY: Noel for 5 mil
OKC: was Brown on rookie deal
Orl: Bamba on rookie deal
Phi: Howard on vet min
Pho: Saric for 8 mil
Por: Kanter for 5 mil
Sac: Whiteside for vet min
SA: Eubanks on rookie deal
Tor: Baynes for 5 mil (after they got Birch)
Uta: Favors for 9 mil and they regret it
Was: Lopez for 7 mil
Mavs are wasting cap at back-up centre position. There is just not enough minutes to justify that salary
(07-22-2021, 10:19 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs and BkN are the only teams in the league paying 10+ mil to a back up centre. But BkN starter is a vet min while Mavs starter is being paid 30 mil. These are the salaries of back-up centres:
Atl: Okongwu 6 mil on a rookie deal
Bos: Williams 2 mil on a rookie deal or Thompson 9 mil (and we all know they regret Thompson badly)
Bkn: DeAndre 10,3 mil (big mistake, but with their payroll at 160+ mil it makes less damage)
Chi: Theiss at 5 mil
Cha: Biyombo at vet min
Cle: Do they even hava a back up C? Love? Nance? Both more PF than C.
Den: JaVale at 4 mil
Det: Stewart rookie deal
GSW: Looney at 4,8 mil
Hou: do they even have a back-up centre?
Ind: Goga on rookie deal
LAC: Zubac or Ibaka, combined 16 mil on centre position, basically neither played in the playoffs
LAL: Harrell at 9 mil and they regret it. Gasol played back up at 2,5 mil
Mem: Tillman on rookie deal
Mia: Dedmon on vet min
Mil: no back up centre
Min: Reid on rookie deal
NO: Hayes on rookie deal
NY: Noel for 5 mil
OKC: was Brown on rookie deal
Orl: Bamba on rookie deal
Phi: Howard on vet min
Pho: Saric for 8 mil
Por: Kanter for 5 mil
Sac: Whiteside for vet min
SA: Eubanks on rookie deal
Tor: Baynes for 5 mil (after they got Birch)
Uta: Favors for 9 mil and they regret it
Was: Lopez for 7 mil
Mavs are wasting cap at back-up centre position. There is just not enough minutes to justify that salary
I mean, this philosophy makes some sense in theory imo but realistically it depends and hinges almost entirely on what exactly is implied with the word “wasting”.
If theres a trade offer on the table for a starter who plays closer to the back court and offers similarly consistent production as Powell — sure, I’d guess most here would agree it’s likely a waste to not do that trade.
And I don’t wanna pidgeon-hole it to a simple 1for1trade either, to be fair to this philosophy. Something like clearing Powell’s cap space which allows for a free agent-signing of that type of player who actually wants to play in Dallas would also work.
But back to reality, is that trade or opportunity actually on the table right now?
Or is it all just theoretical philosophy?
Cuz otherwise, if it’s not reality then I’m not sure how throwing away 1 of our only 3 above average consistently productive players just to get him off the roster due to a theoretical salary-position philosophy would be the wise choice.
Powell is a nice player if healthy. I think the Mavs would like to move him or Kleber, and bring in Collins (who is a combination of both and better than both at their respective roles). I just don’t think Powell will really have a market, so it would be Kleber who’s traded. But both probably come back if the Mavs allocate their big salaries to wings/backcourt. So, I think he stays.
(07-22-2021, 09:52 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I think my credentials as a resident of Powell island are pretty strong.
Resident? Nah, I'M a resident. YOU, my friend, are the emperor.
I suspect he is back. I still view his contract as a slight negative. My hope is that next offseason or this trade deadline it will be viewed as a slight positive. He contract is only 6 million guaranteed next year. My hope is he is a part of our all in trade next offseason. Maybe him, Maxi or a youngster plus picks for our last piece.
Not sure moving him now brings back value.
(07-23-2021, 09:57 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I still view his contract as a slight negative.
Oof, slight negative? I think he was worth Maxi’s contract BEFORE the injury. Now? He’s worth WCS’s at best. I mean, how much did RC play him in the playoffs this year? He’s not a bad player or guy, his contract is horrible!