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Lets continue the series, what you think Mavs will do. A simple yes or no choices, but reasons for your answer might be very different, so provide them in the answer.

Brunson staying or going depend on following factors:
- how do Mavs see him long term
- how he sees himself
- how league see him
- how much money does he expect

Brunson had an excellent regular season finishing as 4th in top 6 man vote. He is still young and is improving every season. On the other hand he is not really a PG as he mostly takes care of himself. He is relatively short so can be a liability defensively and can have problems creating against certain opponents. While he had an excellent regular season he missed last year playoffs and had a bad series this year. I am sure everyone would want him as third guard, I am not really convinced anyone would see him as a long term franchise cornerstone at PG. He is up for extension this season and I think a deal around 8 mil per would be great value. I am sceptical about deal above 10 mil per (max he can get in extension is 55 mil over 4 years). Since Mavs will be over the cap after this season, it is basically Cubans money, but they will be deeeeep in tax if they go max with Brunson. 

Brunson of course controls his own future after this season as he will be UFA and if he rejects an extension, it might be wise to cash on him instead of letting him walk in FA next season. 

This one is really tricky for me, and I would say it can go either way. Many scenarios where it makes sense to trade him and many where it makes sense to keep him. In the end I think it is slightly more likely he will stay. He was picked by Mavs, grown a lot with them and there is mutual chemistry. I think they value him more than other teams.

I think if there is a trade of just about anyone on the team, JB is the ballast to make it work since we don’t have an enticing first to send. For instance, if we want off Powell’s deal, JB is the guy to make his deal a positive in trade.

I put the odds at about 65/35 goes.

No restricted free agency?  Was this a normal contractual arrangement, some kind of Cuban cheap out, or a clever strategy to put the Mavs in the driver’s seat to retain him?  If he’s unrestricted, you better sign or trade him now, but this contract status will depress his value.

I prefer to add assets while subtracting as few as possible. Sign assets rather than trade assets. I say he stays for that reason. He's got 1st round value should they wish to trade him, but if they do, they have to bring in an equivalent backup PG, so why not keep the one they have?

This one is HARD to call now, imo. 

The Donnie/Rick Brunson connection is gone. On the other hand, every time I start to doubt Brunson a little, he reminds me that he's legit, and if you're Cuban, you've got to feel like this is one of the few guys you've drafted who worked out, and that means something. On the other, other hand, he's an asset, and I'm not sure if you can afford to put too much value in one of your own bench players right now. On the 4th hand (I'm a disfigured freak), Kidd might be looking at him and saying to himself "that guy can start here." And then, finally, there's the salary/upcoming cap angle everyone points to, which is valid. 

I'm going to vote that he's here at least until the trade deadline, but it's purely a coin toss for me. Neither outcome would shock me at all.

If New York is interested, I'd trade him for our 2023 FRP or Mitchell Robinson and a sweetener (SRP).

I was pretty down on Jalen prior to this past season.  He really impressed me this last year.  I just have no idea what to pay him.  I'm still in the camp that thinks his physical limitations will prevent him from ever being much more than what he is today which is a rotational piece who can spot start for you when needed.

Traded if the playmaker coming in is more of a PG than a wing.

Most likely traded if the playmaker is Conley, Lowry 
More than 50% chance if its Brogdon, Reggie Jackson, Graham
A 50-50 chance if the player is Ball (someone who can't make plays for himself, doesn't penetrate often, can play 3 positions), Dragic/Rose (because of age)
Will probably stay if its Derozan, Fournier (has a bit of a playmaker in him, will help but will likely be a THJ replacement with some ball handling abilities)

(07-16-2021, 04:04 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]If New York is interested, I'd trade him for our 2023 FRP or Mitchell Robinson and a sweetener (SRP).

I was pretty down on Jalen prior to this past season.  He really impressed me.  I just have no idea what to pay him.  I'm still in the camp that thinks his physical limitations will prevent him from ever being much more than what he is today which is a rotational piece who can spot start for you when needed.

Fred had a great regular season which convinced me to proclaim him the Mavs' second-best player - and then the playoffs happened and exposed what a liability those physical limitations were in playoff basketball.

If we go under the cap, he stays 100%. If we’re making a big trade, I’m afraid he is part of making that happen. For those who question his playoff performance, it was his first. He’ll never have to play in his first playoffs again. Don’t bet against this kid. Ever.

Don’t think his name was brought up once in the press conference or any interviews with Kidd or Nico. Could just be a coincidence or it could mean something. Come to think of it, neither was DFS so maybe I’m just thinking too much.

(07-16-2021, 11:53 PM)Mavsfan7 Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t think his name was brought up once in the press conference or any interviews with Kidd or Nico.

Well, only Luka, KP and Green were mentioned

(07-17-2021, 03:15 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Well, only Luka, KP and Green were mentioned

Ladies and gentlemen, your only surviving members of the 2020-21 Dallas Mavericks!!!

I am also a big Brunson fan.  I hope he is back.  Although this offseason will play a role in this for him.  I can't believe he will be happy if we sign Conley because that means Brunson gets hardly any closing minutes.   

I hope the Mavericks can negotiate at a position of strength with Brunson.  He is not KD, who could get hurt and still get a max contract next summer.   He has made around 4 million as a pro.  If you could make him feel like he is going to get 25-28 minutes a night, I think a 4 year 10/11 million dollar deal with a player option in year 4 is fair.    That way Jalen would know he has at least 40 million coming to him.  That is life changing money.   

Sure he could maybe get more waiting a year, but there is risk there too.    If he continues to develop, in three years he can opt out and may be able to bump 40 million to 70 million.

Brunson was essentially DAL’s most consistently productive player last year not named Luka (with Porzingis / Boban having high bursts of productivity but not anywhere near as much playing time). 



Awesome to have a player like that off the bench but also feels like a waste to keep a player like that in a bench role.

(07-17-2021, 08:47 PM)Mak Wrote: [ -> ]Brunson was essentially DAL’s most consistently productive player last year not named Luka (with Porzingis / Boban having high bursts of productivity but not anywhere near as much playing time). 



Awesome to have a player like that off the bench but also feels like a waste to keep a player like that in a bench role.

That´s what the Mavs need if they want to take the next step. Players that are to good for their role. Contenders have starting caliber player coming of the bench. More often than not on rookie deals (like Brunson) or vet min/MLE/BAE ring chasers.

By November, he’s either traded, re signed, or the Mavs bungled the asset (Mavs forced to overpay or lose him for very little return).  He’s not good enough to bring much back in a midseason trade as a rental (and hopefully it’s the Mavs who are good enough to need the rental player) and he won’t command a high enough salary to need a sign and trade to go to his preferred destination. It seems like a trade is in the cards, or the Mavs re sign him— I don’t care which.

(07-17-2021, 08:51 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]That´s what the Mavs need if they want to take the next step. Players that are to good for their role. Contenders have starting caliber player coming of the bench. More often than not on rookie deals (like Brunson) or vet min/MLE/BAE ring chasers.

I don’t disagree. Of course it’s just that a contending team would also preferably have starting caliber players good in their roles. 

Brunson being *A* super productive / consistent guy off the bench is awesome. 

Brunson being *THE* most productive / consistent guy on the entire team (besides Luka) and also coming off the bench is not so awesome — which says more about the team than Brunson. 

Can the Mavs really add/develop 4 starters great in their roles this off season so Brunson can stay in his role? 

Remains to be seen I suppose. I’m optimistic (and the Mavs kinda have no choice at the moment …) so I’ll go ahead and pencil in KP as 1 starter we’ve already got. It’s questionable if he’ll EVER truly be consistent as a great starter (in terms of minutes played) so he comes with a bit of a asterisk — which will require the Mavs to keep multiple above-average bigs on the roster like WCS, Diamond, etc. This is unfortunate since KP’s salary is already huge and will probably always have to be supplemented with quality back-ups for the rest of his career, which takes up more roster spots and cap space. 


Where do we get THREE more guys to start and have better (or at least equal) production and consistency than Brunson? 

Even if we optimistically convince ourselves, thanks to Luka’s GOAT-ness,  one of those guys can be a DFS type who doesn’t necessarily produce numbers but does all the intangible ‘glue guy’ stuff — it still leaves us short 2 whole awesome, consistent, productive starters. 


Pls save us Nico. Just do it.

(07-16-2021, 04:04 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I was pretty down on Jalen prior to this past season.  He really impressed me this last year.  I just have no idea what to pay him.  I'm still in the camp that thinks his physical limitations will prevent him from ever being much more than what he is today which is a rotational piece who can spot start for you when needed.

His UFA status is really the nail in the coffin for me. Good chance the Mavs can't pay him to what other teams that are desperate for a PG will pay him. 

Might as well trade him for the best asset(s) possible. I like the 2023 FRP back from NYK, though I'd add Robinson to that deal as the sweetener given how good Brunson has been. Perhaps I'm overvaluing him, but Brunson has shown the ability to put up big stats when he starts.  16.6ppg/4rpg/4apg on 53.5/38.5/76.2 in 12 starts this year (similar trends with last year too).

Those are great stats for a young PG in the league. Hell, if Ball can get upwards of 20 mil potentially, then Brunson should be angling for something similar too.

(07-20-2021, 09:47 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]His UFA status is really the nail in the coffin for me. Good chance the Mavs can't pay him to what other teams that are desperate for a PG will pay him. 

Might as well trade him for the best asset(s) possible. I like the 2023 FRP back from NYK, though I'd add Robinson to that deal as the sweetener given how good Brunson has been. Perhaps I'm overvaluing him, but Brunson has shown the ability to put up big stats when he starts.  16.6ppg/4rpg/4apg on 53.5/38.5/76.2 in 12 starts this year (similar trends with last year too).

Those are great stats for a young PG in the league. Hell, if Ball can get upwards of 20 mil potentially, then Brunson should be angling for something similar too.

Ball has physical tools to be more impactful on both sides of the ball.  I don't think he's worth 20M though and I don't think Jalen is worth anywhere near that either.  

You also wouldn't get Mitchell Robinson and the 2023 pick back for him.  You might get a sweetener (SRP) if Mitchell Robinson was the principle you area asking in return.  I'd be fine with either but you'd also need to figure out what to pay Mitchell which is another conundrum.