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I think it would be interesting to have a poll on the future of every team member and I will add a new poll daily, starting with THJ. Very simple, will the guy wear a Mavs jersey at the start of new season or not. Reasons why he will be with Mavs or not can be very different so it would be nice if you describe them.

This one is very difficult for me. On one hand THJ is extremely useful on offense and his shooting is badly needed. On the other hand I just can't see how Mavs could have a competitive line-up with THJ starting while we have way too many holes to fill to allow ourselves of such a high end bench player. I see very few scenarios where THJ stays while Mavs try to improve the team, so I vote "no".

I am one of THJ's biggest fans here. 

I would be fine with them moving on from him, IF it's done in such a way and for such reasons that brings in a major upgrade in talent. 

Personally, I don't view some of the names thrown out around here as significant enough help to warrant this level of shakeup. This is probably where many of our opinions will begin to diverge from one another, but I wouldn't be happy losing THJ if the prize is Dinwiddie, for example, or even guys like Conley or DeRozan. It's not even that I don't want that level of addition, or don't think they'd help, it's just that I believe THJ is a much more important component to what this team has been able to accomplish to this point than some people tend to think. 

Now, if (somehow) letting THJ walk or using him in a S&T paves the way for a guy like Collins (not completely sold on him, but he'd be a significant, young addition), or even someone crazy, like Leonard or Simmons, I would obviously forget all about THJ and start looking for the next shooter to replace him (though I think that would be harder than we currently imagine). 

Might be another unpopular opinion, but from my seat THJ has been a much more important piece here than Porzingis, despite expectations and assumptions at the time of the trade (including my own). My strong preference would be to find a way to create any room needed to maneuver this summer by moving him, and retaining THJ. I think there's a chance the Mavs are thinking this way, too, but of course we might never know, since trading a player of that stature with that contract doesn't happen every day. Even if that's their preferred path (as it is mine) they might be unsuccessful and end up parting ways with THJ as a fallback. 

It will be interesting, for sure, but if I had to predict, I'd say that it's a long shot that they'll find a successful avenue that makes letting THJ walk for nothing worthwhile and that he'll be back. I think he'll get a nice contract that makes many people here despise him even more, but that I'll be ok with (I hope).

I say he moves on.

He played really well here and became a guy with a bad contract to a real valuable piece.

With that being said, I can't believe the Mavs resign him after all the planning for this offseason...even with a diminished FA class.   If they bring back Hardaway, you are really just improving the team on the edges imo.    The rest of our trade pieces are solid players and some on very good contracts.  But they would not bring you a real good player back.   Also, other teams could beat our offers minus any first round picks.

If we get a Derozan or Conley via a Sign and trade, Hardaway is a little redundant as well.   Maybe not so much with Conley but would there be enough playing time for either the Mavs to invest the $ into him or Hardaway to be happy coming off the bench again?  So even if we got a player in a sign and trade, I am not sure Hardaway would be the best use of our remaining $.

We will see.  I really like him, but the more I think about this offseason I have trouble seeing a route with Hardaway back on this team and the team jumping up a tier.

I don't think he will be back due to circumstance (mainly new management needs space to do their adjustments). That does not mean i do not want him back, i'm a bit torn on this topic, but i really comes down to potential contract figures and alternatives. I really like him as a character and i think he's an important asset to the team culture. I'd keep him on a reasonable contract starting around 15-17m over non/worse-shooting wings like DeRozan or Dinwiddie at the same or even higher contract rates.

(07-14-2021, 08:07 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be happy losing THJ if the prize is Dinwiddie, for example, or even guys like Conley or DeRozan

I am with you on this for the most part. 

Most of the names I hear thrown out this offseason are just gross to me. I would rather bring THJ back and shake things up with a KP trade. Keeping KP and trading THJ for Dinwiddie...what on earth has the team gained of significance? Probably taking a step back, which is REALLY sad. 

Conley is one of the guys I am a fence rider on. My gut says stay younger with THJ over Conley, but Conley COULD be a homerun type of fit. 

As you know my offseason dream starts with retooling the frontcourt (i.e. trading KP and getting JC) and if THJ is a casualty in that, so be it. But otherwise THJ is probably better than a lot of these at best lateral moves.

I think THJ is outta here. He is a great teammate and has done whatever was asked to his best ability, but we need an improvement and his price tag has probably gotten too high for the Mav's current status. I agree that there is a case that he was, in fact, the real #2 guy. However, there were stretches where his shot disappeared for multiple games that were just maddening.

My fear is that DAL let's him walk and about next February we start griping about the lost scoring to help space the floor for Luka.

As a prediction, I want to wait to see if they say anything in the press conference about general direction. I think it’ll be telling if they talk about ball handling help for Luka (THJ is gone). If they talk about frontcourt help, he may still be a casualty of trying to fix it there, but there is a chance he isn’t. In terms of percentages right now, I put it at 70/30 he goes.

My preference? I think he’s a tremendous asset at the right price. The right price? Somewhere in the $12-15M range. Enough to be a high end bench player, but not so much that he has to start.

He is a major obstacle to getting more ball handling help for Luka. If he had shot creation and ball distribution in his repertoire, there would be no question if he was staying or going. As it is, he takes up a lot of minutes in a position that mostly gives those needs. 

Another problem for this team when discussing THJ’s role here is the presence of DFS. If we had someone like Hayward in that spot that can create and distribute, THJ could be who he is and we would be fine.

All signs point to a major overhaul with lots of casualties, but we hopefully know more after tomorrow’s press conference.

I vote yes as I thought the question is about what I would do, not what I expect. 
I would keep him and start doing trades after.

I think there is no chance Hawks do a trade with us, not while Trae is there and he knows he will be compared with Luka his whole life. Collins explode and you make your own super star pissed. We need to offer them King's ransom to even consider it. 
Never mind he will be overpaid player who we will have to give assets to get. So no freakin way I will go that route as it is just a waste of time. 

Is there is any other RFA that interest me to pass on THJ? Ball is the next one but I am not sure Kidd wants a PG beside Luka, would be a good surprise if he indeed wants to. 

UFA? Derozen? Dwinddle? 

That said, I think Cuban wants a change, wants something that makes headline and I honestly doubt there is a way to do that  while keeping THJ, so I think he is gone

(07-14-2021, 10:10 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Another problem for this team when discussing THJ’s role here is the presence of DFS. If we had someone like Hayward in that spot that can create and distribute, THJ could be who he is and we would be fine.

My concern is that Hayward is the 2nd coming of KP. Great talent and potential, but afflicted by an injury bug that limits his contributions. Not necessarily a deal killer, but I'd hate to have both on the team and scheduled for significant playing time.

(07-14-2021, 07:49 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think it would be interesting to have a poll on the future of every team member and I will add a new poll daily, starting with THJ. Very simple, will the guy wear a Mavs jersey at the start of new season or not. Reasons why he will be with Mavs or not can be very different so it would be nice if you describe them.

Great idea on the daily polls...

(07-14-2021, 10:31 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]My concern is that Hayward is the 2nd coming of KP. Great talent and potential, but afflicted by an injury bug that limits his contributions. Not necessarily a deal killer, but I'd hate to have both on the team and scheduled for significant playing time.

So, it wasn’t all about the specific name, the name could have been LeBron. It was about the ball handling/shot creation/ball distribution skillset he has, and what everyone on the team sans Luka doesn’t have.

(07-14-2021, 10:29 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]I vote yes as I thought the question is about what I would do, not what I expect. 

For future reference, the question is what you think Mavs will do, not what you would do.

My hope is that KP is moved and there is more cap space created to (a) re-sign THJ and (b) add better-fitting talent that is not a negative defensively.

I predict that THJ will not be back, however. I think his biggest fans (Rick and Donnie) are now gone. I think his age (29) and consistently negative defensive metrics, combined with a strong offer from Miami, will prevent his return.

I'd rather have him than Dinwiddie or Oubre and I'm not even a "THJ guy."  Even guys like Norman Powell or Gary Trent Jr, are they really enough of an improvement over THJ to get rid of the guy that has chemistry here?

I'd be ok with losing THJ if having that cap space or SnT him is the avenue the Mavs have to use to add an impact talent.

I think the question reduces to, will the Mavs be able to make a big trade? If yes, they stay over the cap and keep Tim, unless he’s part of the trade. If no, they are bidding on the best free agents, of which several would have to say no before Tim becomes the priority. 

I’m counting on Michael Jordan to help us move KP, so I voted yes.

My take would be a combo of Omahen's and Jommy's, while KL, Kamm, and IGT make some good points. They have to move KP to make keeping THJ realistic. While a trade-shaken-up team with THJ staying is certainly fine, I will be livid no matter what else happens with him making more than $15M per, and I think he can likely get a bit more elsewhere. You simply cannot have THJ start on a Luka-led team (presuming the goal is playoff success), no matter who else your starters are.

(07-14-2021, 12:42 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]They have to move KP to make keeping THJ realistic. 

They have to get someone better than THJ to no keep THJ.

HOW BOUT DAH

(07-14-2021, 12:42 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]You simply cannot have THJ start on a Luka-led team (presuming the goal is playoff success), no matter who else your starters are.

Well you certainly don't want his as your second best player as was the case this year but I don't get how him being a 3rd or 4th option would automatically be a bad thing
I mean ship him out ASAP if it means we can get a that better 2nd guy, but in terms of 3rd and 4th guys he seems as good of a fit as any of them. Age and price are my main concerns with him

He'll be too expensive and he's way too inconsistent.