(06-28-2021, 11:23 AM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]Did any of you listen to that? What are your thoughts? I have mine, but I'd like to hear some others before I share.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwK4aQQ63bM&ab_channel=DanPatrickShow
Wow!
That's some serious incendiary stuff about Phil Jackson.
1st I enjoyed his remarks about the difference in the game when he played versus today the way that makes real comparison impossible projecting guys like Kevin Durant backward.
His remarks were spot on, its a different game that doesn't allow great defenders to shine as they could then. It depends on the era.
Phil Jackson racist? Amazing. I hadn't heard that. Pippen actually doesn't back off on it one bit and gives reasons.
His remarks on Jordan also sound like he's laying it out honestly. Its nice that he's a guy that doesn't fear speaking his mind on anyone from Durant and Lebron to Jordan and Jackson.
I hear an angry guy.
We all know he got screwed, financially, during his career - that isn't in his head. And then there's the whole Kukoc-last-shot incident, and while I think his conclusion that it was racially motivated by Jackson is ridiculous and I don't know that he "gets it" all these years later, I feel like his anger, disappointment, regret and embarrassment (not about the pouting and refusing to play, but about the coach not believing in him enough to let him shoot) is still fresh, all these years later.
I think the Jordan doc seems to have irritated A LOT of those old Bulls players. It seems like many of them feel that the facts were bent to a narrative they don't consider to be accurate or fair. From Pippen's perspective, given how little he earned relative to others, the realization that even back then Jordan was envisioning ways to profit off of being the center of the universe while others (from Pippen's perspective) were making sacrifices for the team...it just adds to the bitterness.
Last but not least, I hear a guy who has decided to edit himself much less than what is accepted by society in hopes of selling books, bourbon, whatever. It's about money, and this tactic will be probably be somewhat successful.
Which brings us back to that horrible contract - it's a circle.
tl;dr: I think some of the logic is crazy, but the angst is real, and not without some justification. I kind of feel sorry for him.
Scottie sounds resentful as hell.
He's been on a bit of a streak of saying outlandish things. Is it because he wants to sell his products? Still mad of being in Jordan's shadow? All the above?
Like KL said, I feel bad for him because it's so clear he's irritated. I find it dubious to think Jordan would be thinking about saying stuff to cameras in the middle of a ball game.
He has a book coming out so he's trying to create drama.
(06-28-2021, 12:20 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]He has a book coming out so he's trying to create drama.
That's the bottom line.
Dan Patrick internally fist pumping after every answer. I can see Pippen getting more interviews.
(06-28-2021, 12:48 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]I can see Pippen getting more interviews.
Oh, for sure. It started with the GQ interview, and this won't be the end of it.
(06-28-2021, 11:54 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I hear an angry guy.
We all know he got screwed, financially, during his career - that isn't in his head. And then there's the whole Kukoc-last-shot incident, and while I think his conclusion that it was racially motivated by Jackson is ridiculous and I don't know that he "gets it" all these years later, I feel like his anger, disappointment, regret and embarrassment (not about the pouting and refusing to play, but about the coach not believing in him enough to let him shoot) is still fresh, all these years later.
I think the Jordan doc seems to have irritated A LOT of those old Bulls players. It seems like many of them feel that the facts were bent to a narrative they don't consider to be accurate or fair. From Pippen's perspective, given how little he earned relative to others, the realization that even back then Jordan was envisioning ways to profit off of being the center of the universe while others (from Pippen's perspective) were making sacrifices for the team...it just adds to the bitterness.
Last but not least, I hear a guy who has decided to edit himself much less than what is accepted by society in hopes of selling books, bourbon, whatever. It's about money, and this tactic will be probably be somewhat successful.
Which brings us back to that horrible contract - it's a circle.
tl;dr: I think some of the logic is crazy, but the angst is real, and not without some justification. I kind of feel sorry for him.
Every point you make is sound in terms of the facts. Yes, this is clearly a good way to sell books and get attention.
Yes, it seems obvious he has some anger and resentment even more it seems toward Phil Jackson than his old running mate Jordan where seemed to be saying "we made great teammates but don't confuse us as great friends. Not."
With Phil his resentment was almost palpable in the interview and he stood behind with "I was there, in the Locker room.".
The remarks about getting passed up on the shot for the white guy Kukoc, man that sounds incredibly petty. At the same time he doubled down on it and gave some interesting insight on the fact Kerr got the shot instead of Jordan but it wasn't
designed for Kerr. Good stuff.
If Scottie wasn't angry we probably don't get a lot of the information he's putting out because most everything fed to the public is controlled by a group interest and people don't put it out for the public unless they are angry or resentful.
It can be interesting to get a peek behind the curtain now and then.
For me, he seems as bitter as he can be and it seems like he may have hit that bourbon before the interview.
I totally understand why Scottie was mad at Kukoc getting the final shot, but to make it about race is way over the top in my opinion. And his reasons? His one big mic drop reason to back it up was Phil's tell-all book on Kobe? Yeah, that proves Phil is a jerk, but Phil was a jerk to a lot of people of all skin colors. And "well, i know and you don't" with no explanation? That's a kind of assassination job on Phil with no real evidence. I mean, give something credible as an example and not the "well, you just don't know" --- that's usually the weak answer from someone who isn't sure that their proof is really proof...and if the Kobe book was his slamdown...then it's probably not.
That game Scottie was shooting like crap and Kukoc had only missed one shot all game (if I remember that right). (and he's already on record that he didn't like Kukoc when he came in the league). That's kind of weak...because that is easily just disloyalty to get a book sold by Phil, but racism? That doesn't make sense.
To call MJ basically a fraud for passing Kerr the ball and acting like he was okay with it, just being for the camera. Whet would have happened if Kerr missed it? They would have been gone and what would Jordan have looked like then? A coward who wouldn't take the last shot? That doesn't even make sense for a control freak like Jordan to bet his legacy on Kerr when he didn't believe in it, just to get a sound bite on camera, for a video that might not even be made if Kerr doesn't make it....and to have that foresight and gall, in the moment, since that literally was shot in the huddle in real time....that's COMPLETELY off form the control freak we've all seen Jordan to be for...well, ever.
To also say that Jordan only came back because the Bulls were doing great without him and he didn't want it to look like they could do it without him? That's a real stretch. I mean, they were 55-27 in the first year without Jordan, but they lost in the semi-finals that year, but the next season, when he came back in March, they were barely above .500 when Jordan came back in '95...they weren't just killing it like Scottie made it sound.
MVP? I was watching ball then, and how was Scottie an MVP? David Robinson led the league in scoring -- the Hawks and Knicks were ahead of the Bulls in the East.. The Sonics and the Rockets with Hakeem (who was MVP) were tops in the league in record... I didn't see a whole lot of noise for Scottie as MVP? He was in the conversation but NEVER was the favorite at all. He was sitting behind Olajuwon, Robinson (who led the league in scoring and had the same record as the Bulls)...
I mean, this whole interview sounds like a lot of revisionist history and sour grapes and I REALLY REALLY like Scottie Pippen...it's sad that he's decided to go out like this to sell some chips, some bourbon and a book. He must really be on hard times.
I am waiting for Shaquille, MJ, Kerr and others to respond whether or not Phil Jackson was a racist.... I will reserve my final judgment until I hear from all of them. Maybe he was? But Scottie sounded a whole lot more bitter than he did credible...
Just recently learned that Scottie Pippen's son died recently and apparently his wife was being unfaithful on top of that.
This guy's life is unraveling and could explain his attitude right now. I pray he sees better days.
(06-28-2021, 02:16 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just recently learned that Scottie Pippen's son died recently and apparently his wife was being unfaithful on top of that.
This guy's life is unraveling and could explain his attitude right now. I pray he sees better days.
Yeah, I knew about his son, but didn't know about his wife, so those could be contributing factors. It's very sad.
(06-28-2021, 02:16 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just recently learned that Scottie Pippen's son died recently and apparently his wife was being unfaithful on top of that.
This guy's life is unraveling and could explain his attitude right now. I pray he sees better days.
I thought everyone knew about the Gucci flip flops
(06-28-2021, 03:02 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]I thought everyone knew about the Gucci flip flops
I still don't...what's the reference?
(06-28-2021, 03:02 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]I thought everyone knew about the Gucci flip flops
Holy shit I had no idea that song was about Scottie Pippin's wife.
Sheeeeesh....
Usually the truth is almost always somewhere in between. He may be having troubles in personal life, and be angry of some things that happened. But he is 6xNBA champion. He has seen so much about the game. There is probably a lot truth in what he is saying. Some of it is very likely overstatements due to personal situation and regrets.
Often, these feelings come from some true things that happened, that are unfair. That results in overreactions. But always keep in mind, that it comes initially from somewhere, for a good reason. Without Pippen that number is not 6, but quiet less. If Luka had Pippen, we have a championship already perhaps. Important to keep respect for his opinions, and know that there is probably something along those lines going on behind the scenes, despite him clearly overreacting due to the circumstances.
(06-28-2021, 12:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I find it dubious to think Jordan would be thinking about saying stuff to cameras in the middle of a ball game.
I dunno, man. That sounds a lot like Jordan to me.
