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This is just perfect in so many ways and deserved its own thread in my eyes. Get rid of Donnie rn.

When you realize that every single KP clip is from the Clippers series...

(06-09-2021, 03:44 PM)Thukydides Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comme...urce=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

This is just perfect in so many ways and deserved its own thread in my eyes. Get rid of Donnie rn.

Wow this is brutal. It really makes me just want to start over with no KP, THJ, Rich.

THJ just feels inevitable. I hope we can at least get a hometown discount.

(06-09-2021, 04:29 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]THJ just feels inevitable. I hope we can at least get a hometown discount.

He's a good player. I agree that there's a price where he becomes a negative, but even that would'n't matter if the first guy you max was worth it. 

Regardless of who you blame for it, the KP fiasco is pretty much the only thing truly standing in the way. If that had worked, the future would look so bright.

I said after game 6 - Luka is ALL we have. Deadly if this is a "tweaking" summer.

Donnie is not good at "ya know" trades...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" the Draft...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" understanding players' worth... 
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" negotiation...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" recruiting players...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" creating a blueprint and seeing it through...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know", basically anything beyond successfully picking a Euro every 20 years...

Oh, and Donnie is not good at "ya know" speaking.

"Ya know?"

(But his daughter is hot, ya know.)

(06-09-2021, 05:00 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I said after game 6 - Luka is ALL we have. Deadly if this is a "tweaking" summer.

Agreed.

Great video. Steven A breathing into the microphone in disgust of Kristaps was the best part.

(06-09-2021, 05:47 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: [ -> ]Donnie is not good at "ya know" trades...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" the Draft...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" understanding players' worth... 
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" negotiation...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" recruiting players...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know" creating a blueprint and seeing it through...
And Donnie is not good at "ya know", basically anything beyond successfully picking a Euro every 20 years...

Oh, and Donnie is not good at "ya know" speaking.

"Ya know?"

(But his daughter is hot, ya know.)

I don't understand the hate here. How can you make fun of our own folks - of a guy who drafted Dirk and Luka? It isn't like Donnie has had top ten picks every year for the last 20 years, not speaking of top 5 picks! He managed to draft Dirk and Luka with what...? 3 or 4 top ten picks? Seems to me like a good percentage 2 out of 3 or 4...

I cannot repeat it often enough: It doesn't show a lot of character to make fun of Mavs players or executives. I hate it! I find it disgusting. We can make fun of the Clippers, the Rockets or any other truly hateable team/players....but there is just no reason to show such a behavior regarding true Mavs. Either you are a fan or you aren't.

Yeah, as someone who is at one side scared of KP and the other side wants to repair his image here, that video was rough.   There were times when he caught the ball and had not feel where the defender was and made it a much more difficult shot.    The Clippers really attacked him on the bounce too....also some players cutting behind him too.

(06-09-2021, 06:10 PM)Time Machine Dirk Wrote: [ -> ]I cannot repeat it often enough: It doesn't show a lot of character to make fun of Mavs players or executives. I hate it! I find it disgusting. We can make fun of the Clippers, the Rockets or any other truly hateable team/players....but there is just no reason to show such a behavior regarding true Mavs. Either you are a fan or you aren't.

Don´t need to disrespect them but we are on an internet board. Bad jokes are the norm. To counter your point. What about Rondo? What about Odom? What about Rodman? Great guys when they played for the Mavs and once they take off the jersey they aren´t?
As Mavs fans we want the best possible outcome for the organization. Of course I like some players/coaches/staff members (some more than others). I don´t have to like all of them.
I don´t need to blindly follow and agree with all decisions just because I am a Mavs fan. I can appreciate that other franchises are doing a better job. Doesn´t mean that I like it. The Clippers for all the jokes are a better run team. Same for the Rockets in the last 10 years. "Playoff P" is better than KP. Absolutely hate Morris but he is a good basketball player. It would be dishonest to joke about them when the Mavs have bigger problems and worse players.

In regards to Donnie. Absolutely agree that he nailed the two big picks and he deserves all the credit for both of them. Thing is that he is also responsible for the rest of the process. He needs to build around Luka and so far the Mavs haven´t been able to add a single useful rotation player in the last two years. Still Luka, the guys from the Knicks trade and some vets like Powell and Kleber.  One good or even great move isn´t enough if the Mavs want to get back to the top.

(06-09-2021, 06:10 PM)Time Machine Dirk Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the hate here. How can you make fun of our own folks - of a guy who drafted Dirk and Luka? It isn't like Donnie has had top ten picks every year for the last 20 years, not speaking of top 5 picks! He managed to draft Dirk and Luka with what...? 3 or 4 top ten picks? Seems to me like a good percentage 2 out of 3 or 4...

Go look at past drafts and drink in that to find a 1st round pick other than Luka that turned into a regular, difference-making starter, you have to go back to 2003 with Josh Howard.  That's EIGHTEEN YEARS.  At that rate and with that kind of job security Donnie could just go to a sperm bank and build one in a test tube.  But, "ya know", most GMs don't get to base their entire team building blueprint off the premise of the movie "Twins".

Quote:I cannot repeat it often enough: It doesn't show a lot of character to make fun of Mavs players or executives. I hate it! I find it disgusting. We can make fun of the Clippers, the Rockets or any other truly hateable team/players....but there is just no reason to show such a behavior regarding true Mavs. Either you are a fan or you aren't.

I bet you're the kind of parent who, in spite of constant terrible report cards and calls from the principal, would rather just blame all your kid's crappy results on the school and the other kids.  "Ya know", sometimes a little introspection doesn't hurt.

(06-09-2021, 06:38 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Don´t need to disrespect them but we are on an internet board. Bad jokes are the norm. To counter your point. What about Rondo? What about Odom? What about Rodman? Great guys when they played for the Mavs and once they take off the jersey they aren´t?
As Mavs fans we want the best possible outcome for the organization. Of course I like some players/coaches/staff members (some more than others). I don´t have to like all of them.
I don´t need to blindly follow and agree with all decisions just because I am a Mavs fan. I can appreciate that other franchises are doing a better job. Doesn´t mean that I like it. The Clippers for all the jokes are a better run team. Same for the Rockets in the last 10 years. "Playoff P" is better than KP. Absolutely hate Morris but he is a good basketball player. It would be dishonest to joke about them when the Mavs have bigger problems and worse players.

In regards to Donnie. Absolutely agree that he nailed the two big picks and he deserves all the credit for both of them. Thing is that he is also responsible for the rest of the process. He needs to build around Luka and so far the Mavs haven´t been able to add a single useful rotation player in the last two years. Still Luka, the guys from the Knicks trade and some vets like Powell and Kleber.  One good or even great move isn´t enough if the Mavs want to get back to the top.

This right here. You can be a fan and still call them out on the carpet if it's justified.

Porzingis reacting to Marcus Morris fake-passing to a guarded player in the corner, and Morris then hitting the open three as a result happened like 4-5 times in this series. I think it was the kickstarter for the 24-4 run in game 7, too.

I always thought of this Kobe moment, how Porzingis would likely stumble backwards in the same situation and tear an ACL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUdLLdR8Pow

(06-09-2021, 06:38 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Don´t need to disrespect them but we are on an internet board. Bad jokes are the norm. To counter your point.

(06-09-2021, 09:12 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]This right here. You can be a fan and still call them out on the carpet if it's justified.

Sorry, but you totally missed the point. He never said you can't criticize. But it is one thing to respectfully discuss moves/decisions/whatever and another to be an idiot just bashing everything.

That video might be the best description of Mavs front office that I've ever seen.  It's actually a good representation of what's been going on for over a decade.  It's of course not just Nelson.  Cuban, Nelson, and Carlisle work together to formulate and enact plans about the roster.  Other than the 2 home runs in the last 2 decades, I haven't seen a lot of evidence that they can either formulate or enact a plan.

I know that it's a really fun time to knock Donnie right now but I would like to remind everyone that the last time we found a franchise player we did pretty well with trades:

Traded for Jet
Traded for Devin Harris
Traded for Shawn Marion (S&T)
Traded for Kidd
Traded for Tyson Chandler
Traded for Caron Butler/Haywood/Stevenson (cashing in on J-Ho at his peak value probably too)

There were plenty of mistakes, the biggest being letting Nash walk (although we got a Finals appearance quickly after that) and plan powder/letting Tyson walk.

We're bad at free agency, bad with late first round picks which actually brings me joy when we talk about Luka's giant extension because we'll go back to just trading our picks and operating over the cap which we've proven to be better at.

We've been kind of stagnant over the last few years (though I would argue we had major shakeups in the mid 2010s, Donnie gave all the same lip service about continuity after the 2014 Spurs series then we came back with 3 different starters) but as soon as we got Luka you could see the wheels turning again with the KP trade (which had a general consensus of being the right move at the time, same with his max contract).

KP trade hasn't worked out but I've watched us identify things that haven't worked out and cut ties in past (Odom, Rondo, Parsons, Avery) and I expect that to happen this offseason and will be pretty disappointed if it doesn't.

Not saying the front office doesn't have some glaring flaws at times (bidding against ourselves has been a weird habit lately) but we've gotten to follow a franchise for the past 2 decades that had only 1 rebuild that lasted only 3 years largely because Donnie identified Dirk and Luka as players to mortgage the immediate future for and our ability to identify a championship coach in Rick.

Probably could have gotten more out of the Dirk era, probably could have gotten less too but the fact that we constantly altered that roster with pretty significant moves around him for 21 years gives me plenty of hope we'll do the same with Luka.  Lots riding on how willing Cuban is to go into the luxury tax this time around.  Time will tell but we only have one bad move we've made so far in the Luka era but we overcame bad moves in the Dirk era by following them up with good ones so.....fingers crossed I guess.

(06-09-2021, 06:10 PM)Time Machine Dirk Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the hate here. How can you make fun of our own folks - of a guy who drafted Dirk and Luka? It isn't like Donnie has had top ten picks every year for the last 20 years, not speaking of top 5 picks! He managed to draft Dirk and Luka with what...? 3 or 4 top ten picks? Seems to me like a good percentage 2 out of 3 or 4...

I cannot repeat it often enough: It doesn't show a lot of character to make fun of Mavs players or executives. I hate it! I find it disgusting. We can make fun of the Clippers, the Rockets or any other truly hateable team/players....but there is just no reason to show such a behavior regarding true Mavs. Either you are a fan or you aren't.

lol

If Cuban isn't willing to go into the lux tax anymore, that makes a lot of contract decisions horrible!